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From the article: *Large SUVs were particularly affected. According to the police, notes were attached to the cars indicating that they were harmful to the climate. The tyres were not punctured, but merely deflated. The cars were parked in the area between the S-Bahn line and Elbchaussee around Kanzleistraße. *

Personally, I like this protest way more than glueing themselves to the streets, causing traffic jams where cars burn gasoline for hours and ambulances / firefighters / police gets stuck, putting innocent life in danger.

The article is in German. Warning: this link leads to google translate.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (36 children)

I wish this form of protest would catch on elsewhere as well. Every day I'm struck by the number of huge gas-guzzling pick up trucks parked around the city, and seemingly every bed completely empty. Letting out the air to their tires would certainly be slower and more work than the old method of puncturing their tires, but has the dual benefit of not necessitating replacement (which has a carbon cost of its own) and not enabling the vehicle owner to file an insurance claim.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (13 children)

I wish this form of protest would catch on elsewhere as well.

I feel this would go over differently in the land of "fuck around and find out". You'd have bored old dudes with rifles setting up watches. And ~~if~~ when something did happen, public opinion is not going to be on the air-letters side.

not enabling the vehicle owner to file an insurance claim.

My insurance comes with road hazard that would cover this at no cost; and I'm a poor.

It seems misguided. The people doing the most climate damage aren't parking their cars on the streets. Go pop some private jet tires.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I feel this would go over differently in the land of “fuck around and find out”. You’d have bored old dudes with rifles setting up watches. And if when something did happen, public opinion is not going to be on the air-letters side.

Bored old dudes with rifles watching over their parked vehicles in dense urban centers seems like a disproportionate response to having some tires deflated. I think your speculation about the public supporting someone being murdered over their participation in peaceful protest is pretty depressing. I hope you don't actually think that.

My insurance comes with road hazard that would cover this at no cost; and I’m a poor.

This is a good point - I'm not very knowledgeable with respect to insurance, especially internationally. Thank you for your insight

Go pop some private jet tires.

I think this is something we can all get behind

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Bored old dudes with rifles watching over their parked vehicles in dense urban centers seems like a disproportionate response to having some tires deflated. I think your speculation about the public supporting someone being murdered over their participation in peaceful protest is pretty depressing. I hope you don’t actually think that.

Oh, absolutely. I'm not advocating for it, just commenting on the local climate. All it would take is fox news saying "AnTEEfah is coming to cut your tires so you can't go to church and worship jesus! Why do they hate baby jesus?" and there would be people willing, if not itching, to kill over it. It is very depressing, all that rage could be put to much better use.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Bored old dudes with rifles watching over their parked vehicles in dense urban centers seems like a disproportionate response to having some tires deflated.

As far as they're concerned, they're innocent victims and you're a criminal.

And they're not wrong. Property damage is a crime, and working-class people aren't the ones obstructing the development of electric vehicles, solar power, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The argument of climate activists is that everyone is factually the victim of SUV drivers, because SUVs unnecessarily but lawfully contribute to deaths statistically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The problem with this argument is that it claims without evidence that an adequate alternative means of transportation was already known and available to the owners of all SUVs at the time those SUVs were purchased. That assertion that makes a lot of questionable assumptions about the circumstances of millions of people, the vast majority of whom the claimant has never even met, let alone interviewed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, they say that SUVs never made sense in cities. Actually, also in villages, as this is happening in Germany. I'd say 99 ℅ of those SUVs are not used as an SUV. Not that I'm supporting manipulation on other people's property, but I understand that part of their argument.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Maybe so, but I'd hate to be the one guy who actually needs it and finds it vandalized over something someone else did.

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