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At least, some of the recent controversies.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (30 children)

Re: Madison, she sprinkled a bunch of non-issues (edit: I don't mean to downplay the more serious issues she raises! I'm concerned that this would leave room for others to do so) or things that are normal for companies that aren’t super huge- the journal/lined paper debacle for example. Of course the company focused on profit is going to ask you to make do with essentially the same thing. That’s super normal.

Being asked to manage the OF despite objections isn’t super bad when you are literally hired just to do social media. It’s unpleasant, but most jobs are going to have unpleasant moments. At a similar pay scale, I’ve been required to go into homes where folks had COVID. Coworkers have been shot at. I’ve seen things I really would have preferred not to. No job is perfectly sane in that sense.

Some of the issues where Madison said “they wanted me to do x and I couldn’t because y” (red footage editing/ram comes to mind) feel like issues where she would be told something, then would vent in her head instead of going “hey, I don’t have enough ram to edit that footage!” - something I’ve encountered a ton with less experienced (in a business sense, not skill) hires.

The managerial and behavioral issues she brings up are awful but not entirely surprising given the type of folk who stick around there. It indicates a systemic issue and that usually happens due to a lack of oversight and course-correction, or outright malicious management. I’m hopeful that it’s the former.

Last but not least, she repeatedly states it was her dream job. This is an experience that should hopefully show her to never meet your heroes! Dream jobs usually suck unless you get lucky, because they have lots of rough edges. Hopefully she’s doing something that brings her more joy now.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 10 months ago (20 children)

You can't force a woman to manage an OF account against her will, knowing VERY WELL what she'll be exposed to. That's fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Why "a woman" specifically? And how would that be against her will?

[–] [email protected] 65 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because the internet is exceptionally shit against women in particular, and because she clearly stated she didn’t want to do it.

This is kinda basic stuff.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She's just the manager of the account, not publicly facing on OnlyFans. She was asked to complete a task well within her job description, that is not against her will, she is against the job. A before you say looking at genitalia wasn't in the job description I urge you to look up what facebook moderation is like.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The kind interactions (including pictures and such) you get on OF vastly differs what you will get on other platforms. That’s not in the job description.

And to your last point, she was a social media manager, not a Facebook moderator. How does that compare? Are you intentionally making bad faith arguments?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you intentionally making bad faith arguments?

No, lets keep this civil my guy.

She is a social media manager, onlyfans is social media regardless of the content that is usually posted. As for the reason I brought up Facebook moderation is, what do you think is usually posted there? Minion memes? Photos from trips? Well those moderators are often subjected to beheadings, rape, and other very graphic content. Do you think that was explicitly stated when they got hired?

Of course, Facebook isn't exactly the premier 'good place to work', but this is common throughout any industry that takes submissions for the populous. And I am not making any arguments whatsoever on whether or not she should actually have to see "comments from people talking about how they wanted to fuck me and my co workers.".

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

As for the reason I brought up Facebook moderation is, what do you think is usually posted there? Minion memes? Photos from trips? Well those moderators are often subjected to beheadings, rape, and other very graphic content. Do you think that was explicitly stated when they got hired?

No likely not, and Facebook clearly deserves a proper reckoning. But I don’t see how this relates or makes it ok.

And I am not making any arguments whatsoever on whether or not she should actually have to see "comments from people talking about how they wanted to fuck me and my co workers.".

Would you say LTT/LMG sells itself as a channel about sex or porn or the likes? No, it’s a tech channel and as such one would expect tech related social media. You could state that the function of the job is unchanged, but the job content is also relevant here.

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