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[–] [email protected] 127 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (69 children)

Free speech is good and must be protected, that's clear. But it should not be virtually limitless. The US played a major role sorting out the negative consequences of the Weimar republic, which did not contain fascist ideology, which then (edit: among other things ofc) lead to WW2.

It still baffles my mind how the US cannot see that tolerating the intolerant must inevitably lead to an intolerant and possibly facist society.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

AFAIU this is a result of the wording in the US constitution. The freedom of speech in the US has a stronger legal implication than in other countries, even stronger than western democracies like the UK.

And, then in the civilian level, as you say, US netizens tend to write "you are entitled to your opinion" to basically anybody with any horrible belief as if they were government officials.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US has limits on free speech in the name of public health and safety. There's no assumption of limitless free speech in the US. People who cry "free speech" typically have no understanding of its actual legal definition in the country and just want an excuse to be a bigoted asshole without consequences.

Twitter, not being part of the government, gets to decide what content they allow and doesn't need to worry too much about the legal definition of free speech. But, despite Musk's claims, Twitter is not actually a space of limitless free speech. They've taken plenty of actions since he took over that limit the speech of individuals he disagrees with. Twitter is just interesting in giving a platform to hate. There's certainly money to be made in monetizing hate (see Trump), but hopefully it doesn't work out well in the end for Twitter or Musk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

People who argue against free speech always do so on legal grounds. Nobody seems to want to attack free speech as an ethical concept.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I think it depends on how you define free speech. There are plenty of people arguing against unrestricted free speech on this particular instance, and it's a core value of the instance (intolerance of the intolerant).

On the contrary, people who argue for unrestricted free speech always seem to do so on legal grounds, constantly quoting the first amendment as though it applies to private platforms or to people outside the US.

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