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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Is it just me, or does the Xbox brand seem in a really bad place - outside of Gamepass - right now? Microsoft's strategy of rotating contractors through its first-party development studios seems to have squandered a lot of talent. Games are being held back by the requirement that all features are available on the Series S.

It sort of feels like they're so focused on the Gamepass revenue that they've just let their console business wither outside of that. I only have a PC and Switch this generation, but none of the games that have made me consider a console have been on Xbox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Games are being held back by the requirement that all features are available on the Series S.

I still don't understand this argument they have almost identical CPU power. The S can do pretty much anything the X can do but at a lower resolution. They were actually really smart about how they specced them out to allow this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

"Almost identical" doesn't cut it. The CPU disparity, especially with the much worse memory pipeline, is a big deal.

The lesser memory isn't a big deal when you use high res assets and can just lower the resolution, but it's a huge deal when you use a meaningful portion of it for actual mechanics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The CPU is only 100mhz slower and identical in every other respect so it really is good enough to be considered the same. But yes I suppose memory bandwidth and size can be an issue downporting games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Slower is slower. Yes, the fact that it's not literally identical is a massive problem when you're requiring identical behavior.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

it's actually 200mhz (had to fact check that) a 6% difference, which is surely made up by not having as many draw calls to do and hardly anyone has that as their fundamental limit anyways, when a game runs at 60fps (or more) on the X and 30 (or 60) on the S there's clearly a ton of headroom. Almost all games on these systems are certain to be GPU limited on the Series S.

The memory is a significant enough difference to matter though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Resolution doesn't change the number of draw calls.

There are plenty of CPU limited games, and they wouldn't have bothered giving the X a higher clock if it didn't mean anything. Anything short of actually identical is a problem when you intend to demand identical features.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

lowering foliage draw distance, LODs, Volumetrics, particles, crowd density etc. does lower your draw calls though.

Yeah, the series X has a faster GPU that can take advantage of the slightly higher clocks for higher framerates or additional detail/objects.

Practically speaking that 6% makes no difference whatsoever in terms of whether or not you can do something. Maybe the series S drops a few frames below it's target when something intense happens, that's going to be about it.

The memory bandwidth is shockingly halved with 2GB of it running at 1/10 the bandwidth of the X though, I see that being a huge issue in many titles.

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