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Stop, just please, stop.
What are you trying to say?
I want this war to stop.
It'll stop when Russia leaves.
Edit: anyone who supports Russia is a fascist. Follow your Leader.
Do you think it is realistic that Russia will unilaterally pull out? The war will end when Russia leaves, but Russia isn't going to leave until they are pushed out, negotiations are had, or Ukraine is destroyed. The first possibility is becoming increasingly more unlikely, and the last is something that nobody should want
That leaves negotiations. I think Ukraine should come to the table while they still have some leverage, which is decreasing every week that they throw their men into the meat grinder without meaningful gains.
It doesn’t leave only negotiations. Russia tried for 10+ years in Afghanistan. The US the same, there and in Vietnam. There is such as giving up and going home. That’s the “win” a small state can inflict on a large one. I don’t think that’s where Ukraine and Russia is headed, but there’s a quick for Ukraine and a slow “win” for Ukraine.
Yeah why negotiate now while we still have hundreds of thousands of lives to throw into the meat grinder.
Yes, that's exactly Putin's reasoning. Glad you figured that out.
You do realise that it was Ukraine who refuesed to negotiate and not the other way around? Also, mind reminding me who it is that is performing a failing counteroffensive?
You're in a thread about Ukraines failed counteroffensive
Wait, so your ideal is instead of negotiations, in the same vein as Afghanistan, Ukraine experiences this horrible war for another 9 years and then becomes a state ruled by the fighters involved in the war with the most extremist far right ideology rule it as a theocracy? To be clear that ideology in this case is Nazism.
You don't sound like an ally of the Ukrainian people.
So in your mind there's no situation where ukraine doesn't win this war?
For sure there’s a real risk Ukraine isn’t winning this war. But there’s never been a war where there’s absolute certainty one side will win, until we get to the “downfall” times.
So you think they should just keep sending conscripts to die until the downfall times or until Russia just decides to leave?
Yeah that's how wars usually end, right? A country leaves and then negotiations start.
Since we're in imaginationland, how about all ukrainians get a free dolphin?
You're a fascist. Follow your leader.
No, I do not support the fascist regime of Ukraine. Why would I follow their leader?
Very sound argument. After all it was the civil liberals, western anarchists and debate perverts that convinced Hitler in the market place of ideas that invading Poland was "bad vibes" and so he killed himself from that hard own.
Or was it something else? Nah, after all reality is always the thing you imagine it to be.
Maybe copium is a bit like health pipes?
I'm a fascist because I think people shouldn't be killed senselessly? Okay.
How do you think the war will end?
You fucking donkie
How will this war end then?
Realistically, how do you think the war will end?
I too would like your prediction on how this war will end
Answer my question coward
Do you have like a little piece of notebook paper you keep track of all your pending dunks on? You do the rounds every few hours? o7 I am in awe
And if Ukraine can't win militarily (which they clearly can't), how does that happen?
Imagine thinking Russia will win with 0 proof. How does daddy Putin's boot taste?
This article from a western source is literally about the failure of the big counter offensive
Youre in a thread of an article about the failed Ukrainian counteroffensive. I will now imply you are having sexual relations with a man as a negative thing.
How good is your reading comprehension you fucking idiot, or are you just following headlines and clapping like a cymbal monkey toy?
Your comment makes me want to see a fan cut of Captain America where he just gets the shit beaten out of him and his limbs ripped off and he dies and every five minutes "I can do this all day" but it never turns around and he fucking dies. He never appears to make a come back. He just keeps getting his ass kicked and never stops saying the line. Except it's not his ass getting kicked, it's some random children he took off the street and forced to be child soldiers or he'd kill them. And he just keeps saying "I can do this all day" while tens of thousands of people keep getting killed and not once for any reason or goal that progress is made towards. Just tens of thousands of dead bodies every month. "I can do this all day" except he's not even there he's on an internet forum. It's still tens of thousand of dead bodies but not his. And he'll never give up. But he'll never get any closer to winning. Just death to countless people who aren't him. He can do it all day. And every time he says it you can tell he feels really cool and badass. He's Captain America. He doesn't quit just because it looks bad.