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I'm thinking of the things listed on the Privacy Guides real-time communication section

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/

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[-] [email protected] 68 points 2 months ago

The difficulty of any non-mainstream chat app is getting other people to use it. On that list, Signal is the most probable to be recognized by people who don't have a particular interest in privacy, so it's more likely to get more people to use it.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

besides that, and besides the lack of forward secrecy on matrix and session already mentioned by privacy guides, do some of these alternatives have worse security, privacy, or ux than signal in some way?

[-] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

both have worse UX than Signal. pretty much all except Signal are lacking on this front. OSS developers are allergic to a smooth UX in general

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

This is the complete and sad truth 🤣

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Signal's UX is NOT good unless you want to expose your encrypted conversations to a smartphone (of which far from all can run a private OS). All because of no desktop registration. You either have to use inconvenient signal-cli, or an Android emulator which creates its own troubles.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

xmpp has a variety of clients for desktop and mobile. You cannot dismiss them all as having worse ux than signal.

The same is true for matrix.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Signals UX is no better than SMS apps. People I've tried to convert all say the same thing.

~~But it's still the most secure/privacy minded messenger. ~~

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Signal has read receipts, reactions and typing indicators. That's 90% of what any messenger needs. It also let's you schedule texts. I do wish it would do reminders and pinch to resize text though.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Dunno, it's fine for me. As a messenging app it moslty gets out of my way and lets me communicate. It has all of the important functionality and creature comforts. Also, it already has some bloat (stories, whatever that crypto payment thing was/is). And the UI / UX is perfectly fine as is.

Although, as a dev myself, I hate UX work, it's just boring and unfulfilling. I get why UX is often an afterthought. First it has to be functional, anything beyond that is secondary.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Matrix also does have a pretty big problem with meta data. By default it stores a ton of meta data (at least the reference server implementation does) and I am not sure if this is even a solvable problem without redesigning the protocol. When opting for an alternative to Signal, XMPP is probably the better choice.

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