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Jordan Peterson
He causes no harm to the people who don't like him but he has helped thousands of young men sort their lives out and get their shit together. This has objectively made a huge positive impact in the world.
Just young men?
Mostly young men. That's his audience.
There is a certain reason I ask that, this empowerment comes off as weaponization.
Care to elaborate on this? I've listened probably 20 hours of him talking but I don't remember him saying anything like this. To me his core message seems to be that stop blaming the world for your issues and instead look in the mirror and sort your own life out first. He even became famous as the "clean your own room before you go out fixing the world" dude.
I said that euphemistically, but he's quite famous for his teachings regarding the community known as incels which he describes as having been failed by society, mentioning his notion that they would be satisfied if society was built according to ideal conditions, which implies what they want should be a given, with incels being predominantly men, most of whom are self-convinced into thinking their situation is more than happenstance and almost never based on their own prior social conduct.
The belief in inherent entitlements and obligations, especially when they're not even balanced, is the biggest reason society has succumbed so hard in the first place, which he even says when it doesn't involve the interests of his target audience, yet in any discussion on sexuality, including asexuality, which his dismissal of is feeding into some of how we're treated in the world, you'll find him bringing up this train of thought.
The quote you linked is not from Jordan Peterson but a random twitter user called "TYL80737692"
If you want to know JP's thought on incels you can look it up and hear it from the man himself rather than look for someone to intrepret it for you and add their own spin to it.
From the comments of the first video: "It's ironic that mainstream media slandered Jordan Peterson as "King of the incels" when he routinely tells men that if women don't find them attractive - it's not the women's fault - but men's fault, and it's each man's responsibility to fix it."