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It was at the Securedrop website. How did I end up there ? I read something about Sequoia and encryption and then wanted to see what Securedrop entailed.

Meanwhile I've raised the security settings. Still, today someone in this community (?) mentioned that Tor browser does not protect the remote to check for the OS, and now this. Color me surprised.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (21 children)

The underlying OS will be detected regardless of the useragent.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (20 children)

That would be a fail of the fingerprinting protection. A properly set up TOR browser for example should not allow that detection by any means. If you know how to detect it, please report it as a critical vulnerability.

I could think of maybe some edge case behavior in webrenderer or js cavas etc., which would mainly expose info on the specific browser and underlying hardware, but that is all of course blocked of or fixed in hardened browsers.

Further, if you have a reliable method, you could sell it off to for example Netflix, who are trying to block higher resolutions for Linux browsers but are currently foiled by changing the useragent (if you have widevine set up).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (15 children)

What do you mean by "properly configured"

Here is a screenshot of the default Tor Browser, installed from the repos, no config changes made. As you can see, creepjs can detect that I am using Linux.

Obviously, if you disable js, then the site doesn't work. Not sure if there are ways to detect the OS without javascript.

One common way to analyze the OS if all else fails is to look which fonts are installed. This is done by rendering thousands of divs with some text out of sight of the user. Each div with a different font. If the div width changes compared to the default, you know a font is installed. Different OS have different sets of fonts by default. Not sure if flatpak/flatseal (or other containerization methods) could protect against that. Technically you can install the exact set of Windows fonts and uninstall all Linux fonts, but I'd expect some linux app breakage and general uglyness.

An online search I did for how to completely hide the OS without breaking most websites did not result in anything except runnjng the browser in a Windows VM.

EDIT:

Per default tor has a linux useragent. And I can't seem to change it with the useragent switcher or with about config override. So yeah... even better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Default linux works too ofc, I didn't know they took that route.
Most other browsers have very specific useragents, so the main pool of same useragents will be hardened browsers anyway.

Thank you for checking

edit:
https://github.com/TheTorProject/tor-messenger-build/blob/581ba7d2f5f9c22d9c9182a45c12bcf8c1f57e6e/projects/instantbird/0001-Set-Tor-Messenger-preferences.patch#L354 would indicate it should be Windows, Ill check later.
Try it with high security settings in tor, it might be something like canvas. Did you enable any permissions for the website?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Can you share your creepjs results with tor when you have some time to check it out?

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