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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Hey guys,

I am looking for a new email provider as I am still using gmail and like to get that removed finally. I am currently looking at Tuta and proton. I would be using it mainly for email and the Calendar. most other things I am self hosting but email in particular is not something I like to self host.

Proton being hosted in Switzerland and Tuta being hosted from Germany I think Proton has a edge over Tuta in that regard although I am not very familiar with both country's privacy laws.

Also how do they compare to each other regarding flexibility in creating email filters and folders. I believe proton hat some restrictions on the amount of email filters if i am not mistaken.

And lastly can you get calendar invites with these email providers? If I like the email provider i might move the business email to one of the providers as well but seeing we get like calendar invites which works fine with outlook. I dont know if this works with the email clients of proton or Tuta.

Also if their is a better email provider i am open to suggestions.

EDIT: Thanks guys! Got many great answers. i think I will get my own domain and try them out both for a while.

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[-] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

First thing you need to understand is that the smooth end-to-end encryption works only tuta-to-tuta or proton-to-proton, so in rare cases. Encryption at rest, which is what tuta-to-proton, gmail-to-tuta etc. can do, is something that a lot of other email providers do too.

I'm currently in the process of moving from Proton to Tuta, because despite several years of promises, the Android client for Proton still doesn't do non-google push notifications. Also because if you just need email with your own domain, Tuta is much more price-friendly. (The tier also includes unlimited calendars and event invites, which I haven't tried.) If you also want VPN and encrypted storage, the balance tips.

I don't use the calendar from either, so can't talk for their properties. I prefer seamless calendar integration for wrist gadget integration and such, so using NextCloud Calendar + DavX. For smooth integration with encryption, could also look into Etesync. I think you'll be able to share an ics attachment from either of those through your normal calendar.

Germany is a 14-eyes-country, but since I'm just privacy conscious and my threat model doesn't include international-coordination-level actors (barely state level, am in the EU but not German, so eh, far enough), it doesn't matter that much to me. Proton also has to obey court rulings.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

smooth end-to-end encryption works only tuta-to-tuta or proton-to-proton

The difference is that proton tries to be somewhat interoperable with other services. It uses standard PGP encryption, you can import public keys to it from elsewhere, and you can download your private key from them if you need it.

* Of course I meant that you can easily export the private key from their web client, which is not really a download as such.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Depends a lot on your peer group, but I have even fewer contacts that use PGP than ones that use either service. :/ Just tried to keep it simple.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

If it's more than none at all that's pretty good. But adhering to open standards is also a factor in how we should judge these providers which goes beyond that.

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