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[-] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago

No, you said:

I would simply win the civil war instead of losing

Which indicates quite clearly that you believe military power should decide whether a nation has the right to independence. You don't get to try to deflect that ex post facto. You either admit that this is what you genuinely believe in spite of its obvious morality problem, or you admit that you were wrong to make such a statement and acknowledge that your ideas about national independence need changing.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

The outcomes of civil wars is widely acknowledged by both state practice and opinio juris as being a legitimate factor in the determination of sovereignty over a territory. If you don't believe me, ask the Confederate States of America and the Republic of Vietnam about their experiences and get back to me.

There is no "morality problem" because there is no issue of morality here. Morality is not a factor in international law.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago

We're not talking about what is 'widely acknowledged', we are talking about what you have expressed as your personal belief. And you do have a morality problem:

Skill issue. If I wanted to have a recognized independent country I would simply win the civil war instead of losing and then hiding in America's skirt like a coward.

You believe that in order to be independent from mainland China, Taiwan should have used military force - or again, that might makes right.

You made this statement. It is not about international law, or opinio juris, or any other deflection you want to attempt. It is about what you believe justifies a nation's independence, and it is solely based on the exercise of military power.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What is the weird childish liberal need to reduce everything to good guys and bad guys and what's "right and wrong" (as if we, the genocidal collective west could recognize either at this point) without ever looking into the facts, the history of a place or what the people living there have decided already. This is a conversation about geopolitics, about the logical and predictable working of state machinery. "Justified" is not a word that means anything in this field. You might as well hold up everything to weepily condemn the authoritarianism of physics. Something either is or it isn't. "Right" is a nonsense hueristic in this situation. Might makes reality.

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