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Cool, they are not going to do that so what is the actual way to get back the eastern territories?
Im not sure what youre expecting here. You asked why NATO and Ukraine won't negotiate peace.
They tried. Years ago. Russia said fuck you and invaded further.
Now you moved the goal posts to seek blame on the defenders side again.
They actually had a tentative agreement in Spring of 2022, but then NATO flew in and offered them money and weaponry so they could fight more. I am not moving the goal posts I am just telling you what reality is - Ukraine is going to lose, there is no other outcome.
Bruv youre not saying anything youre asking open leading questions.
And then you ask different questions when you dislike the answers. That's exactly what moving goalposts means. I understand you love russia but please read and think before you reply.
I am taking the logical argument in the direction that you guys are thinking to show its logically inconsistent. You guys just dont understand what is going on there and repeating one of two different talking point directions.
Elaborate.
Yes sir
We have to give weapons so that Ukraine can win.
Russia is Nazi Germany and will keep taking over all of Europe so we need to stop them now.
Both of these arguments are terrible and have huge holes.
This is a fascist folk band, they did a tour that involved going to western ukraine and stoking tensions + encouraging they commit acts of terror
https://genius.com/Death-in-june-snipers-of-the-maidan-lyrics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualties
They would go on to write songs about it
in case you thought there was any ambiguity, this is the brain rot we're dealing with
This is literally just one example. Comparing Russia to the nazis here is genuinally insane.
I was sharing the beliefs of people pro war. They are not saying they are like the Nazis, they are claiming they have the same intention to take over countries.
Oh yeah my tone came off wrong there, more replying to the person they are talking to as im assuming they downvoted it; I hoped to show how the 'no nazis to see here' thing shitlibs love to do with downplaying ukraines actual fascist presence.
Good thing you made up both of them 👌
Sure dude, I totally did...
I didnt say either of those things so either you're projecting a different convo or you're making up strawman arguments
Cool then what is your reason that we should fund Ukraine?