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I'm pretty sure once Ukraine has thrown away enough lives trying to get to the first line of defense, Russia is going to use their mobilized army to roll up the coast line all the way up to Transnistria.
I absolutely love the incomprehension on the part of liberals of why Russia didn't just throw freshly mobilized troops into a meat grinder the way Ukraine is doing. Instead, they sensibly spent the time building multi-layer defences, and training the troops knowing that the west would push Ukraine into the offensive in order to justify all the spending.
It is kind of unbelievable that they don't understand a smaller country can't just send able bodied young men in to a defensive line to get slaughtered indefinitely. Vibes based world view. You'd think there are enough gamers in the world that the average commentator would understand how "camping" works as a strategy.
There was an actual article in WaPo that flat out said that the west knew that Ukraine didn't have enough equipment to do the offensive, but pushed them into it anyways because they thought their motivation and gumption would make up for it. You just can't make this shit up:
How does that saying go?
I keep telling everyone to read Sun Tzu because he's very specific, numerous times, about not doing this specific thing. : p
The fact that they thought this could work shows that western sponsors of the proxy war are completely detached from reality. If they made an obvious blunder like this, one has to wonder what other terrible blunders have they been making over the past two years. It's clearly that they're completely out of their depth here. Yet, people still think they're going to win because they project this level of stupidity on the Russians.
And this is based on the overwhelming success of the current Russian attempts?
Yes
By this time next year Ukraine will not have any coastline under their control.
They probably won't have an 18-35 year old men under their control, either. I'm kind of surprised they can still find people willing to die for this bullshit.
There's a reason why they're kidnapping men off the streets and press-ganging them to fight for the Kiev regime. The slava ukraini epic marvel stuff is not making enough people volunteer to go die in a minefield.
I'm willing to take that bet. Just like Russia will take Kiev in 3 days. Just like Ukraine would be under Russian control in a matter of months. Just like many other Russian PR predictions, worthless.
...Those predictions were Western ones, not Russian ones.
So western lol
Oh damn I didn't realize Belarus was Russia, this changes everything
Oh damn I didn't realize Belarus was western, this changes everything.
Someone not involved in the operation and also not even from Russia doesn't really matter, particularly not a shit talker like
that motherfucker says all kinds of crazy shit
Not involved? He let an invasion be lauched from his territory. That's pretty damn involved.
My landlord doesn't know shit about what I launch from his territory
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I would bet you £10 (or dollar equivalent) that this will not happen, to be donated to a charity of the other's choice, honestly. Absolutely no chance Russia takes Odessa and reaches the Romanian border.
What is it with liberals and making bets they absolutely will not honor? Two redditors already owe me donations because they predicted Russia would be pushed back over the Russian border within six months, back in mid-2022. You should donate to any charity you like instead of whatever weird shit this is.
I don't have £10 spare right now I'm really struggling sorry, but I plan on having it in a year God Willing. I would've done it but the point is I am certain of it not coming to pass.
PS I am not a liberal, how dare you >:(
"let's bet money on a conflict with bodies piling up" is not a sentiment I would expect from a leftist
I think that is a pretty clear misrepresentation. I was simply saying in a dramatic way that the notion of Russia occupying Odessa and the land all the way down to the Romanian border is outlandish.
Then say that next time rather than proposing a wager determined by the deaths and maiming of thousands?
Sure
I'll put it on the giant pile of overconfident predictions about Russian military prowess that we already have. Kiev in 3 days, amirite?
Westerners predicted Kiev in three days.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498185064617762816/mediaviewer?currenttweet=1498185064617762816¤ttweetuser=nexta_tv
Get fucked.
lmao, calm down liberal
also your link is bad
Maybe this is just happening on our instance, but your image was removed. Maybe a direct link?
they where in kiew the first day ? And it was hugly successfull because of the Kiew Raid they Closed the landbridge in 3 days ! the biggest ojective by far ,its securs crimea.. they literally Seized a Territory the size of Belgium and Netherlands including the Black Soil and Europes Greats NPP , trapped elite units of ukraine in mariupol and blockaded the Main water atery of Ukraine (dnepr ) and Strategiclly also odessa ....
In my book Russia was hugly succesfull , if russia would not have secured the Landbridge ...
Yes, the conditions of an offensive at the very beginning of the war are still extremely relevant now.
"thrown away"
I mean marching a bunch of barely-trained 50 year old conscripts into known killzones or over minefields is absolutely throwing those lives away.
"Special de-mining operation"
A few weeks of NATO training and then sending them into minefields without sufficient artillery support or any air support at all is absolutely, 100%, throwing away lives. Particularly since anybody not huffing their own farts has known from day one that Russia would be able to keep any land they really want, there is no path to victory for Ukraine and there never has been without direct NATO intervention.
And this is precisely how NATO likes it, as long as Ukraine isn't part of NATO then there is no obligation for NATO to get involved directly. They can just keep the proxy war going as long as they see it beneficial, and then cut and run when it burns itself out.
Go step on a mine like your ukkkrainian heros
Lol