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Trying to frame supporting the right of Ukraine to defend themselves against an illiegal invasion, genocide, torture, rape and all manner of other war crimes as "being pro-war" needs a very special kind of brain damage...
Does being pro-Ukraine not elicit an agenda? Also, what’s with the insult. I didn’t insult you.
Pro-Ukraine? Sure, that's probably includes one agenda or another. But that's not what you said there.
As for the insult: Sorry, for that. You instantly understood that you framed self-defense as being pro-war, so I think I need to retract that suggestion of brain damage.
Instead you seem to know perfectly well what you're saying so: Crawl back to you Russian (or Russian-paid) cave, troll. (Also: Not sorry for that, as it isn't even an insult but just stating a fact...)
I’ve been an American a very long time. Russia doesn’t have to pay me to see that all sides use propaganda. Also, still using insults isn’t going to help someone see your point of view.
What if his goal isn't to have you see his point of view. What if he doesn't like your agenda and just wants to call you an asshole? Is that fair?
You can call me whatever you want. As long as it’s understood that geopolitics requires all sides to use propaganda. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to learn. I’m actually a pretty forgiving guy. I just can’t tolerate bull 💩.
Is being against foreign invasion/occupation an agenda?
Yes. Any response has an agenda. Make your fight righteous while calling the enemy evil.
Responding to a foreign invading threat is not an agenda. And it's absurd to imply so.
Geopolitics doesn’t happen in a vacuum. There were agendas before the war that led to the war. To believe differently is naive and absurd. This goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union for Russia. Russia was installing a puppet government with Yanukovych. NATO couldn’t allow that because it threatened capitalist hegemony in Europe. There will be agendas after the war. Ukraine deserves sovereignty from Russia and NATO. There’s a reason 40 countries want to join the BRICS trade alliance. The world is tired of America and NATO extracting their wealth.
See, ^Now that's an agenda
Exactly. The world is not binary. This good, that bad. Geopolitics is complicated. We need to stop treating it as a sport.