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Automatic updates: a cautionary tale (tarneo.fr)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Tl;dr: Automatic updates on my home server caused 8 hours of downtime of all of renn.es' docker services including email and public websites

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've run into apt asking me if I want to remove my entire desktop environment before, but very rarely did it leave things as broken as bad as what triggered the "do as I say" prompt.

Honestly, for Linux to gain any popularity, apt/dnf/pacman commands need to disappear from the Linux basics everyone needs to get through. We have had GUI package managers forever and they need to be more user friendly (and detect when you're doing very stupid things with clear warnings, like "doing this will probably break your entire install" without expecting the end user to read a wall of cryptic text).

The trick to apt is to make sure nothing gets removed when you install stuff and only a few packages get removed if you uninstall stuff. Aptitude is better at listing the impact of what you're doing and will suggest alternatives, but it can still use a GUI to make things clear for normal people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah I really don't trust GUI package managers yet. I feel like they shouldn't be that hard to get working properly, but I always seem to get quirky behavior when I try to use them. As for readability apt is one of the worse tools IMO. I've been using nala lately and really like how it lays out its operations. Contrast that format to what Linus saw in his video.

Maybe we could have a blacklist of packages/metapackages marked "important" that cause warnings, like xorg, pipewire, pulseaudio, kde-desktop, gnome-desktop, etc. If you're uninstalling something like that you better hit confirm twice because that's not typical behavior.