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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (25 children)

I got into an argument with a guy on Reddit because he kept insisting that Taiwan was a sovereign nation and I kept telling him that Taiwan does not view Taiwan as a sovereign nation. At one point he asked me if we sold weapons to China and when I said definitionally yes he lost his shit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (7 children)

A June 2013 poll conducted by DPP showed an overwhelming 77.6% consider themselves as Taiwanese.[140] On the independence-unification issue, the survey found that 25.9 percent said they support unification, 59 percent support independence, and 10.3 percent prefer the "status quo." When asked whether Taiwan and China are parts of one country, the party said the survey found 78.4 percent disagree, while 15 percent agreed. As for whether Taiwan and China are two districts in one country, 70.6 percent disagree, while 22.8 percent agree

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The DPP (pro-Independence party) polling seems to differ a bit from National Chengchi University's yearly poll where "maintain status quo indefinitely/decide later" were the two most popular selections.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

maintain status quo indefinitely/decide later

me deciding what I'm going to do today

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (16 children)

How can they possibly be Taiwanese if they don't speak any of the Formosan languages?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How can Americans possibly be Americans if they don't speak American?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (13 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (19 children)

70% of US adults believe in angels, but that doesn't make it true. No countries with any actual amount of power on the global stage recognize the ROC (see the US' One China Policy), which means that regardless of whatever views people claim to have when surveyed, Taiwan is de facto part of the PRC.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

Change the question to: “would you die for Taiwanese independence?” And watch the numbers drop.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.

So mainland China is not independent then?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

They have the mainland and everyone recognizes them as China.

Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.

As does Taiwan to me, and right back at you comrade.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

So the “nation” that doesn’t even consider itself independent sounds independent to you?

And I’m the one being pedantic?

Sorry to say but independence isn’t a vibe.

It’s not a vibe based analysis.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

For context: the DPP is the pro-indpendence ultranationalist party founded by local landed elites who collaborated with the Japanese empire during wwii. To this day many Taiwanese ultranationalists around the DPP deny Japanese atrocities such as Nanjing and Unit 731. This may not be the most reliable source, three pinocchios!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anyone who says they support the DPP is openly saying they support fascists.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Interesting that you choose to present a 10 year old poll conducted by the pro-independence party instead of easily accessible recent polls conducted by well regarded Taiwanese universities.

I guess those other cherries just didn't look as ripe, eh?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

From 2023

"However, in a more stripped-down poll by the Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation (TPOF, 台灣民意基金會) with only three choices and no nuanced timeline questions, 50% chose independence, 11.8% unification and 25.7% maintain the status quo."

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4782886

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