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What he's saying is that Putin doesn't get to dictate which alliances sovereign nations can join.
That's the same thing
Except that OP is trying to frame the invasion as justified when the reality is that Putin thought he could bully his neighbors. NATO predictably went "fuck off" and that somehow means bombing Ukrainian children was unavoidable.
If you are against bombing Ukrainian children, then you should probably be cheering on what Russia is doing, since it stopped exactly that.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
Russia escalated. More people are dying now.
Address the point, coward.
A fair number of bombings have been attributed to defective Ukrainian munitions...
And thats not even getting into all the non-defective ones
I don't see it like that - I see it like assigning any blame at all to NATO, which it does deserve, to some degree.
By deflecting blame from Russia.
Do you agree that Putin should drop dead?
Everyone who ever asked me shit like that was never interested in having a discussion, just in purity tests. What I think should happen to Putin has no bearing on what caused this. And FWIW this kind of mindless insistence on moral absolutism is why Tripoli went from the capital of the most stable country in Africa to an open-air slave market.
It's a litmus test for whether I want to engage with you at all.
Being able to state unequivocally that a murderous billionaire should drop dead is the absolute bare minimum for a socialist.
I have yet to get a straight answer from so-called socialists on Lemmy.
No it isn't, it's because you want to dictate the terms of the conversation, which, again, leaves zero room for any admittance that Putin isn't the only one who caused this situation.
USA is also responsible. Fucking obviously.
I live in Denmark. We're sending absurd amounts of military aid. The commie party supports this on the basis that Ukrainians have an indisputable right to defend themselves. I agree with that, but there's obviously room for discussing what exactly that implies in terms of support.
All billionaires should go jump off a bridge. Liberal politicians should take a trip to the Titanic, and I have a very nice wall I want to show the billionaire who bankrolled the Danish libertarian party.
I'd be more than happy to have a conversation about the conflict that isn't just parroting neoliberal talking points, but as I said, this is a litmus test. If you can't state unequivocally that Putin, a murderous billionaire, deserves to die, then you're not any kind of socialist I can recognize, and I'll have no further interest in talking with you.