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So is Jesus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
The only thing scholars agree on is that he was baptized and he was killed. Nothing in between is supported, it is all fairy tale. All the miracles, bullshit.
Who cares if some mentally ill man 2,000 years ago created some fucked up cult based on the lie that his mother didn't cheat on his father and get pregnant. If I could go back in time I would murder Jesus to save us from the Christofascism we are facing today
Oh no, some guy said we should stop being shitty to each other and take care of the poor, and a lot of people agreed. This is literally fascism!
Did you forget the part that if you don't follow the rules to the letter you get tortured for eternity? Sounds pretty fascistic to me.
Jesus never said you have to follow his rules to the letter in order to avoid hell, just that you have to make a sincere effort. After all, he preached that sins could be forgiven if you repent, didn't he?
Meanwhile, the alternative seems to be "just do whatever makes you happy, fuck what anyone else thinks", but that always inevitably leads to violence and bloodshed. Is that really the world you prefer to live in?
John 3:18
So I guess it's not "follow the rules or you go to hell," it's "believe in Jesus or go to Hell." In other words, the vast majority of humans who have ever lived are in Hell according to the Bible.
Perhaps, but what does that matter? Is that a good enough reason to want to join them?
Seems like it was a good enough reason for Christians to spend the last 2000 years murdering non-believers.
So because people have murdered for thousands of years we should just continue murdering people, is that what you're saying?
Nope, I'm saying Christians have had no problem murdering unbelievers for the last 2000 years, so maybe Christianity isn't as great as you make it out to be.
People have killed their babies by putting them in microwave ovens. Perhaps microwave ovens aren't as great as they are made out to be.
No one has done that. That's an urban myth. What a terrible attempt at justifying the horrors that Christianity has wrought upon the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_P._Arnold
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Oh, pardon me. ONE person. That definitely makes up for the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Pogroms, etc.
If one person can do it, so can you. Unless you prefer to stay mad about the past forever because that isn't going to change.
Sure, one or two people putting their baby in the microwave is the same as Christians killing and torturing countless Jews and Muslims for not being Christian. Totally justifiable comparison.
I'm not surprised a Christian like you would try to excuse all the murder that way though.
The point was that anything, no matter how innocent or lifesaving, can be used for murder if you really want.
But I get it, you want to stay mad about the past.
The past?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65034343
Christians in Africa are oppressing LGBT+ people today.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67454386
Christians in Russia too.
Now it's time for you to claim they aren't True Christians rather than admit any culpability for your religion.
Okay but they're not murdering them, are they?
As far as Christianity is concerned, gay people are living in sin. And as long as they are not repenting or seeking help with their condition, they cannot be saved.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Are you actually defending them putting LGBT+ people in prison for life because they're not murdering them?
What the ever-loving fuck? Are you that much of a bigot?
Lots of gay sex happening in prisons, should be right up their alley, no?
Wow.
I mean come on, at some point you gotta look at this whole thing reasonably. Where has all the LGBT acceptance in the West gotten us? There's gay people in the White House, transgenders in the military, pride parades in every major city, and yet somehow we're still arguing about whether gay people are oppressed because some states won't allow them to teach children about anal sex.
At some point you have to ask the question whether gay people are living in a state of feeling permanently oppressed not because of what Christians will or will not allow them to do, but as a result of their sinful lifestyle?
FWIW, I'm not sure that putting them in prison is the right way to deal with the problem, but from a Christian perspective, there isn't much anyone can do about it as long as they insist that being gay isn't the problem, lack of tolerance is.
This whole comment is a load of bigoted crap.
People being able to live their lives the way they want to without bothering anyone?
You're making shit up. Mad anal sex is not restricted to homosexuals you prude 😏
Sinful to you because you believe in your imaginary friend in the sky.
Like your entire comment and when I dive deeper it's everywhere in your comment history too
Apparently it IS bothering people enough that they're willing to go through the trouble to make laws about it.
Doesn't mean it's appropriate to teach children about it.
Yes. We get it. You're a bigot who thinks it's okay to imprison gay people for life. You don't need to keep telling us.
From a Christian perspective, they are imprisoning and oppressing themselves because they don't want to give up their sinful lifestyle yet want to have the same benefits as those who do. You want to have your cake and eat it, too.
Why is it so difficult to understand that normal people don't want to constantly be bothered or have to deal with gay people insisting they be allowed to do gay stuff around their kids?
From a decent person perspective, you're still being a bigot.
You can call me whatever you want but if being decent means allowing children to be taught about crossdressing and anal sex then I'd rather be a bigot.
I think there is more to it than that. Many people have been killed because of that silly book and what it says. People go insane thinking all that stuff is true to the point they are willing to kill others. Also I don't think the bible really says to stop being shitty to people. Only specific people. There is still mention of slaves and women being property. Rape was ok if you pay the girls father. You can't just pick the good parts and ignore the rest like everyone who is religious seems to do.
You're confusing the Old Testament with the New. Yes, there was slavery in the Old Testament, but Jesus never had any slaves nor did He tell people to keep them. He also didn't tell anyone to kill people in His name. If people choose to call themselves Christians but don't keep Christ's commandments, you can't really blame Jesus for that, can you?
Yes I can. It's his fault.
Fantastic, then I'll blame you for all the people killed by atheists because you didn't do anything to prevent it.
I don't care what you do lol
Okay, I'm going to keep preaching the words of Jesus then.
Can I blame a being that claims to be all powerful, all knowing and all good for every bad thing that happens? Yes absolutely. And "mysterious ways" ain't gonna cut it. That's not an argument, it's a cop out. Your god is either not powerful, not all knowing or evil. The reality of our existence proves that your god cannot be all three of those things. Or just maybe...
The truth is that your god doesn't exist so we need to be good to each other and do the right things because they're good and right. We need to do it for survival not because of the threat of hell or whatever. It's not possible to be a moral person and be religious because in the end you're only acting well based on being threatened or rewarded for your actions.
Okay, now that's a very good point. Almost.
As long as someone is acting morally, does it matter whether they do it because they understand morality and can reason it through the way you did, or because they think an invisible man in the sky is going to send them to hell if they don't?
It's not moral to do something only because you are scared of punishment. Having morals would be knowing not to do something because it's wrong and may hurt others and having empathy for those around you.
Look, clearly it would be preferable if people are moral because they have reasoned things through, because then they won't be as likely to fall to temptation or be reasoned out of it. Now I don't know about you, but, I would prefer someone who doesn't murder me because they believe they'll go to hell if they do to someone who does because he believes he'll get away with it.
It's not immoral to believe in Santa Claus, is it?
Sure buddy XD
No, it's true. It is the consensus among historians. This appears to upset a lot of atheists, not sure why. It has no effect whatsoever on my own atheism since whether or not the biblical figure has a historical basis doesn't play into my lack of belief in god.