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People here are far more likely to be anti-capitalist, anti-corporate, pro-privacy, etc. those groups all circle the same kind of Cory Doctorow/Matt Stoller/Luddite world where the word enshittification became popular.
How you conflate those other things with Luddite is.... fascinating.
I assume they mean in the original term, that technology should be used to make life better, not to damage peoples employment.
I had no idea the term Luddite had any meaning beyond the colloquial definition of shunning technology in general. Thanks for giving me something to read about today.
the greatest trick the capitalists ever pulled etc etc
I had no idea myself until just recently. The 99% Invisible podcast had a decent episode about it which I listened to that helped put it all into context.
The short story is that it was a labor movement trying to prevent mill owners from abusing workers by using automation to bleed the maximum productivity out of the fewest people. The Luddites would break into mills and smash the "infringing" machines. Tensions rose, the Luddites were eventually crushed, and the term Luddite was intentionally rebranded by capitalists to be synonymous with ignorant/anti-intellectual so that no one would ever want to associate with them again.
The Luddite is an anticapitalist blog https://theluddite.org
Thank you for clarifying, and the link. I'll check it out!
Happy to! I can see why someone would be confused π
Oh wow that's the first time in a loooooooooong minute I've seen someone use Luddite in its pre-corrupted state; I was about to be MAD AS SHIT.
Well thatβs because youβre a tech-hating Luddite most likely \s
Yeah since I learned who the Luddites were Iβve kind of fallen in love with them
It's genuinely criminal how badly their reputations got tarred; when I heard what they were actually about I was genuinely struck like "my god there WERE people who felt the way I do". Like-- I'm literally a communist, I don't believe there will ever be a point of human existence where meaningful, dignifying labor has been 'abolished'; nor do I think we should aspire to that.
Automate away the drudgery, the sinecurial, and the tedious, sure, that's all well and good and should be done; but that which lets a person create, to make something useful, that they could be proud of? Tech shouldn't be eliminating that, and that very much feels like the future we're going toward.