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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I never understood the obsession with homeownership.

I've owned. It kinda sucked. The things most people think of as "pros" (like being able to renovate) were not that great for me. I'd spend a lot of time thinking about things I could change/improve, and then doing them.

My brain operates differently renting. I don't really care about things like that since its not an option in the first place. It saves me time/money/stress and I spend more time living my life instead of maintaining a property.

Of course there are drawbacks with renting, specifically shitty landlords, but to me there are more pros than cons.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

Property ownership is the clearest path for generational wealth. It may suck to own, but you are building an asset and you can hand it off to future generations to have a head start with.

It's a broken system, I am not advocating for it as a good system, but it's the primary reason to own a home.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the thing is - there's a lot of variables that shift the balance towards renting when looking within a time frame, even from a financial perspective.

  • how long you can stay in one place and whether that fits your needs both today and in a few decades
  • % of down payment and missed earnings if this money went towards another investment
  • interest rates
  • property taxes
  • HOA fees, if any
  • likely higher insurance rates over renting
  • maintenance costs

In the end of the day, since many variables have a large uncertainty, that's a bit of a gamble. Home ownership tends to win over time, but the longer one looks into the future, the higher this uncertainty also is.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Finally sane people! Holy shit you're like a unicorn.

There are DEFINITELY cases where many people are CHOOSING to rent because they simply DON'T want to own. That's perfectly okay. Both options have pros and cons.

Shitty landlords do exist... But homeownership has a boatload of issues that come with it too that you simply cannot shop around for.

I've owned my own house for the past 5 years. I'm in a position where it makes sense. Before that? Well over a decade of renting. And it wouldn't have made sense any other way.

The lack of nuance in opinion otherwise is maddening.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

agreed.

vast majority of folks in the USA see renting as this repulsive awful stupid thing that nobody would ever do if they weren't poor.

it's nuts. renting makes a lot more sense for a lot of situations. and vast majority don't buy until they are married and having families anyway.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

this really annoys me too

judging by the comments there's a lot of people thinking "my mortgage is $ X renting this would be $ Y. $Y > $X, therefore owning is better."

Add all those costs above, then one can think of comparing both. Also, the property I'd buy is not the same I'd rent at all - these two have very different requirements IMO. One is for a few years and the other is meant for a few decades. I can get a much better location around where I live because I'm renting and it's still very affordable.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You're missing a few advantages to owning-

  • If you have to move, you can often get the money that you spent on the mortgage back, or even make a profit.
  • A mortgage is generally cheaper than rent.
  • While some may not be interested in renovating, it's a relatively low-effort activity that pays for itself if you sell the property.
  • Can have a garden
[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I'm missing all advantages of owning (or renting), that was not the intent.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

you can rent and have a garden and rent is cheaper than a mortgage in a comparable area.

when people buy they often have to move further out to a cheaper area to get a mortgage

my mortgage is more than my rent and isn't as nearly in as nice of a place and convent of a location. on top of that and having to do home reapir (not renovation) i have less disposible income than I did a few years ago.

it's trade offs. i miss being in a more social area and having more disposible income, and somtimes i regret buying.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Ah yeah, not the case in my area. Rent for an apartment is about twice as much as a mortgage.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

What if you're not going to have a next generation? Is there still a good reason to own?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It's still the most effective way to accumulate wealth within a single generation, so it can be an asset to use for retirement.

Again, not advocating for the system, I think property ownership is problematic, but I am explaining why it can be beneficial within the current system

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