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I find his base to be largely split on this issue. There’s the bleeding hearts who cry for amnesty (Sky Daddy bless their souls) and the at best ambivalent and at worst lipstick racist others.
The part of the base that this anti-immigration move will anger is the same part of the base that's already angry about the genocide.
It's like he's trying to piss them off specifically and as much as possible.
If the part that’s going to be pissed off is less than what could be won then is the risk worth taking? Some campaign manager must have thought so or this appeal against his own base is a terrible gamble.
Yes I'm sure he's not just doing this on a whim, but we'll see how this pays off in November.
If he loses it's his fault alone.
Nah they'll blame the people he alienated. They did it for Hillary, they'll do it for Biden. They block anything remotely progressive and then wonder why progressives don't run to the polls for them.
I blame Hillary and the people who didn't vote for her. They still had a choice. And it was a dumbass choice they made.
Edit: If you don't vote for Biden, and Trump wins, you are culpable. That's literally how voting works.
No, pretty sure it's everyone who doesn't find supporting genocide a big enough deal to seek another path for the election. Everyone supporting Biden now is responsible for propping up a bad candidate.
Fair enough, trump's guys aren't coming for me first, they are coming for the Gaza protesters, they are coming for abortion rights, LGBTQ+ rights, they are coming exactly for the rights of people refusing to vote for Biden...it's sort of ironic. You can read what you are enabling here: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
"Vote for my guy or I'll let Trump kill you"
This is a hostage situation.
If I had a vote, I'd be voting for the guy stopping trump from killing you, what else do you want me to do, if even you won't help yourselves in the simplest way possible?
Trump lost the popular vote the last time he won because America isn't a democracy. I voted against him twice, and the second time I voted against Trump to "stop fascism" all I got for my vote was a fucking genocide.
I want you to stop victim blaming. Our only choices are between polite Hitler and rude Hitler, you don't know enough about American politics to even understand how fucked we are.
Oh, I understand more than I'd like to have to, the far right all over the world follows the US circus as their script, with complete liberal complacency.
Okay, just remember that polite Hitler is doing a genocide, and the liberals around the world are right there beside him.
I'll give Biden one thing: his support for genocide has managed to sink the USs international reputation even further and delegitimize it's bogus "rules based international order" so badly that now even Mexico is joining the case against Israel in the ICJ. He's goose stepping the US right off a cliff along with his closest allies, he's practically the accelerationist choice, and the only alternative is just worse in all sorts of different and stupid ways.
Hopefully my death is quick and painless.
"Polite hitler" doesn't encourage his groupies to go kill minorities with judicial impunity, shut up with that, it's like you have nothing to lose, but you have a lot left to lose. There is an objective difference, even if they were the same underneath, by setting an example of abhorrence and dogwhistles for their minions to follow in his country and abroad.
Pro-Israel groupies are attacking student encampments and getting away with it.
The difference is that polite Hitler doesn't openly provoke those attacks. He just quietly enables and protects them.
Alright, good luck with that!
You are enabling, your making the unacceptable choice. No candidate has any more privilege than another. Your making up a narrative, your being dishonest and your goal is cause harm.
If you don't donate to Biden's campaign and Trump wins, you are culpable. 🙃
If you say so.
But voting is literally how we decide who is in power, and it cost nothing. SCOTUS being hijacked by radicals is a direct result of the 2016 election. Everyone got together and decided (through the Electoral College) that Trump was the person to lead us. Everyone had a voice. Some chose not to use that.
Gibberish. Everyone got together and decided that Clinton was the President, then the Electoral College overruled the democratic will of the majority and we got Trump anyway. Everyone has a voice. $ome voices matter more than others.
If the person who is better for the country loses then it is all of our faults. In a democracy it’s up to the citizens to know the candidates, understand the system and what people can and can’t do, understand how the election system works, and be aware of what the stakes are.
Political campaigns attempt to hold your hand and pull you in a certain direction because it’s in their best interest to do so, but the blame for what happens in January 2025 rests with all of us.
But I hate this country.
Does that hatred include all the people who are affected by the consequences of our elections?
Literally a hostage situation.
It’s called living in a society, my dude
You're saying "vote for my guy or else" and then acting like it's my fault hostage takers are going to execute me.
But also, that's complicated by the fact that America is a blight on the world. The world would literally be better off if this shit hole declines because it can't fuck with everyone else in the world anymore.
Israel, for instance, wouldn't be able to do genocide if the US was no longer able to provide weapons and protection.
I did not say who to vote for or even that you should vote. I only made the point that it’s the people’s responsibility to educate themselves on what is possible and the best course of action. (Then when you said you hated the country I asked if that includes the people.)
This is embarrassingly naive. Do you think if the US gets turned upside down — aside from the people living there who don’t deserve to suffer — do you think that the US is going to just tuck away in a corner and the world will be a better place? It would take decades and an incredible amount of suffering before you’d have a US that could not fuck with anyone anymore. If you want to see a former superpower in decline, just take a look at Russia. The more they decline, the more they lash out. The more Putin consolidates power, the more suffering that is caused by the whims of a desperate madman.
You’re deluding yourself because you desperately don’t want the options you see ahead of you to be the only options. I don’t like the options either. But there’s no magical way to have the US get better fast or go away fast.
You make whatever choice you want. But at least try to be rational about it.
You'll blame them if he loses.
Nah I’ll blame everyone else, I wasn’t counting on them anyway.