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Most people don’t know what capitalism is.
"It's when there is a market and you can buy stuff and smol gubermint."
It's when democracy. And communism is when government does stuff. /s
Then define it for us
A tankie with a Stalin avatar asks "what's communism?" You can't even make this up.
I'll let Marx tell you:
-Manifesto of the Communist Party
-Critique of the Gotha Programme
This is obvious, what does your ‘variant’ of Marxism do differently than Marxism-Leninism, and has it come close to establishing a DOTP that can fending off imperialist attacks against it?
Your questions betray a terrible confusion. There was never a DotP "established" by Marxism-Leninism. There was no such thing as "Marxism-Leninism" when the Bolsheviks siezed power from the provisional government in October. By the time "Marxism-Leninism" was created by Stalin, there was no longer a DotP in Russia as the world revolution had degenerated and capitulated to class collaborationist opportunism. "Marxism-Leninism" is the result of and the excuse for that opportunism and from its inception took the role of the ideology of the nationalist foreign policy of the capitalist Soviet State divorced from the historical communist programme.
Why do you think Stalin need to jail, kill, or exile all the old guard?
‘Marxism Leninism’ was created by Lenin a deviation of Marxism suited to the conditions for the newly founded USSR, and it set forth by Stalin. Just because Stalin stimulated economic growth through a mixed economy doesn’t make him a ‘traitor’ or a ‘capitalist’, as it helped develop the industries the USSR needed to fend off the fascist threat during WW2, as the Chinese and Vietnamese are doing today. Also, what was so ‘nationalist’ about the USSR’s foreign policy? It promoted local languages and cultures in all the Soviet republics, and just because Russian was the lingua franca, that doesn’t mean that Stalin was ‘Russifying’ the many republics. Lastly the USSR started collectivization of farms and nationalization of the many industries (Increasing the quality of life dramatically) during his time along with an alliance with independent politicians (Bloc of Communists and Non-Partisans), as for the Red Guard, some of them were opportunists or traitors (Like Trotsky, Yezhov, or Bukharin)
He didn’t create it, he created the principles for it, expanding on Marx.
The New Economic Policy was adopted because, in the spring of 1921, after our experience of direct socialist construction carried on under unprecedentedly difficult conditions, under the conditions of civil war, in which the bourgeoisie compelled us to resort to extremely hard forms of struggle, it became perfectly clear that we could not proceed with our direct socialist construction and that in a number of economic spheres we must retreat to state capitalism. We could not continue with the tactics of direct assault, but had to undertake the very difficult, arduous and unpleasant task of a long siege accompanied by a number of retreats. This is necessary to pave the way for the solution of the economic problem, i. e., that of the economic transition to socialist principles - V.I Lenin
It was Yezhov who executed them, he was later executed himself for his crimes. Many of them were committed to Stalin and his ideas for socialist development, for example Lazar Kaganovich, and only a few of them were putchists (Like Trotsky) or traitors. I’d like to see your source for the supposed ‘hundreds of thousands’ killed by these purges.
It is an insult to the socialist system to say that an “opportunistic and traitorous” Stalin would be able to become a “dictator” within it.
He did not add to Marx, he only applied Marx to the specific conditions of 20th century Russia. The challenge remains for you to show that Lenin updated Marx or believed that he was.
Do you understand the context of what you posted? Apparently not. He's alluding to the ongoing international struggles. He knows that socialism will be impossible in Russia without those victories.
Source: "Letters on Tactics," 1917
Source: "The Tax in Kind," 1921
Source: Speech at the 4th Congress of the Comintern
These statements stand in stark contrast to the policy of "Socialism in one Country" of Marxism-Leninism. ML has nothing to do with Marx or Lenin.
Not even Lenin thought they had reached socialism yet. Even the quote you posted said as much, so I can only assume you can't read.