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The only is avoid centralized chats, using decentralized encrypted ones. For all those which use Watsfuck and others like these Google-Zuckerbot derivates it makes anyway no difference if the EU scan or not their chats, especially using stock iPhone or Android.
That's right but the EU wants to break the E2EE encryption for its power
Yeah, wait for it. Even in China they are not cappable to control all the privacy tricks and measures for messages by the users. Where there is a law, there is also a trick to go around it, I doubt very much that they manage to control more than the usual chat apps, the effort would be economically unaffordable to do it also in decentralized or even on self-hosted private networks.
They don't actually have to enforce that though. Rather, it's a neat trick: if you do use encrypted chats, well, you're purposefully doing something illegal! To hide information, no less! That surely means you have more to hide, and since you've already broken a law, let's investigate further!
To be clear: I'm not saying this is the intended effect. But it is a frighteningly possible one. Anyone who has reason to hide their communication (regime critical activists, opposition politicians, investigative journalists,...) either have to
the argument ?I've nothing to hide? isn't valid. Ask the people if then it's also OK if the Postman or anyone else read their private correspondence, or is looking over their shoulder while you are chatting with someone, above you are investigated by the authorities when you try to avoid it, it's exactly the same
Oh, absolutely. In case it wasn't clear, I'm against chatcontrol.
They don't want to forbid the encryption only to backdoor to have a control on it. But that's almost impossible to backdoor all of them...
I know that the law is almost impossible to apply but first we have to stop it, if they gain the power of reading trough WhatsApp and else, they could ask for more after
Asking and being capable to do it are two different things.
I read the text, and didn't find anything on centralize or decentralize messenger. Are you talking about the technical solution they want to use ? The text is very confusing about it.