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submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

This is very, very niche, but I couldn’t think of a more suitable place so I’ll give it a go.

In the US, brand name medications are outrageously priced. There are deals between payors (PBM/Medicare) and manufacturers that look like this:

Sticker price $20,000/mo minus negotiated insurance payment of $15,000 theoretically leaves pt on the hook for $5.000/mo, BUT…

Manufacturer graciously offers a “coupon” / discount card, which covers a max of $4,995.00, leaving pt with a net responsibility of $5.00/month.

These are convenient numbers to work with, but closely resemble the pricing and coverage structure of a long-term medication I take.

The coupon never results in zero pt responsibility, always leaving some negligible amount due. Invariably, it’s exactly enough money to be a huge pain in everyone’s ass and to make no meaningful difference to anyone involved in the transaction. $5.00 and $9.00 are amounts I see frequently.

Getting to the actual question, why bother?

Seriously, I wasted a half hour of my life waiting on hold to schedule a refill on a specialty med that can only be filled from a single central pharmacy and shipped, to be told that a) they somehow didn’t charge card on file for the $5.00 last month, and b) can’t schedule next shipment until I pay the all-important five bucks. Didn’t have a card close at hand, had to call back later so they could extract their couple dollars and then schedule the next round.

It literally costs them more in toll free charges, infrastructure fixed costs, and salaries to collect that money than they make from it.

I assume the answer is something along the lines of “personal responsibility” and someone in Congress having a stroke over the idea of someone getting medicine for “free,” but I’ve been unable to substantiate that.

Convinced there is a reason, probably buried in a 10,000 page CMS policy manual, because the mfg coupon literally never brings the price to zero. See, e.g., DTC drug commercials referencing “pay as little as $x a month!”

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Because the manufacturer is trying to extort the insurer. Please bear in mind that everyone in this market is fucking trash but manufacturer coupons should absolutely be illegal. In this case the patient pays nominal out of pocket cost of 5 dollars while the manufacturer is effectively getting 10k/mo, assuming this isn't an exotic drug all of that money minus mayyyybe five bucks is pure profit.

The nominal charge is likely a requirement by the insurer to make sure that patients don't overfill medication they don't need - manufacturer coupons literally let those companies print money.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Ironically, there are two newer formulations and the older soon to be authorised generic. My PBM in their infinite wisdom doesn’t want to cover the cheaper one. My doc has yet to get a PA approved for anyone for the newest version, so I’m stuck with the version they foisted upon us as soon as original exclusivity expired “because sodium raises BP,” and the newer one is salts with other metals.

Funny how they didn’t figure that out years ago……

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Look into cost plus drugs maybe. Apparently they are trying to shine a light on all the scummy stuff happening in the industry.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Unfortunately not an option for specialty and niche drugs. Wish it was, I’d rather him get a cut than a certain PBM

this post was submitted on 23 Jun 2024
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