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They like people like Lenin and Stalin.
It's a wakeup call for a lot of young people when they start to recognize the absurdity of anti-communist propaganda, but a lot of kids swing too far the other direction and figure all the bad things they've ever heard about history's worst communist leaders are lies.
It doesn't mean that Communism is uniquely bad, but these men were violent tyrants who don't share values with most mainstream western leftists today.
Some never grow up and say dumb shit like that radical gender expression was common in the USSR or something...
Larping as a tankie is definitely a thing of immature, terminally online kids, but I wouldn't throw Lenin in the bunch. While Stalin is mostly condemned as a reactionary psychopath by pretty much everybody except a few leftist basement-dwellers, Lenin is still read and taught throughout the world. Nothing edgy in reading Lenin.
Edgy kids on the internet worship other psychopaths like Pol Pot or Hoxha.
Stalin maybe. Lenin? He was a hero to the working class. I'd really like to see your sources on how Lenin was one of "history's worst communist leaders".
Some instances on Lemmy are going through a Red Scare, I doubt they can explain.
I feel like someone who has an account on .ml might be biased
Also I'm not sure I'd call it a "red scare" when Hexbear is openly praising Putin and Xi Jinping
I am a Marxist, yes.
Hexbear doesn't praise Putin, but they do praise Xi, quite a bit.
I suppose there's not a lot of communist leaders to choose from in general, but Kronstadt happened on Lenin's watch and it would be a bit disingenuous to pretend this was controversy free amongst the left and working classes.
tHeSe MeN wErE vIoLeNt TyRaNtS
The kulaks and the monarchists and the nazi collaboraters deserved it. Communists have been vindicated by history every single time.
Late teens, maybe early 20s.
How close am I?
Some people take longer to mature.
True. I didn't become a commie until I was almost thirty, young me was so idealistic.
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Great reply. Respect.
This is exactly the kind of shit Republicans say about growing older and becoming more cynical. Same regressive bullshit, different ideology.
Ah yes, if a Communist is young, they are naiive, and if a Communist is older, they are cyncial and regressive.
The double-think is strong with you.
Where's that Parenti quote?
"During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regimeβs atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didnβt go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them."
As we all know, getting more militantly progressive because you see the repeated failures of the liberal worldview is exactly the same as getting more conservative because you own more property π€‘
It was always a thing, had a tankie friend in high-school. Though you're right, most people grow out of it. But I don't think this guy did last I saw him
LOL