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Now imagine how the japanese are seen by the people of China, Korea, Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Sumatra, Singapore, Indonesia and Papua who were still living under japanese occupation and terror in August 1945. Who died in droves far greater than the Hiroshima or Nagasaki victims, with up to 25 million casualities. Whose death rates increased towards the end of the war, and for whom a delay of the capitulation of the japanese by a few weeks or, god forbid, months would have meant millions of deaths.
Who, mind you, did not support the japanese government, did not support the japanese war, had no way of stopping it except for fighting for their lives, yet still had to suffer from it. Unlike the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who could have prevented the japanese government from taking power, who could have striked and fought against their militaristic government, who could have sabotaged the war efforts of their government in a war that was lost anyways - yet they never did.
Like, there are still people alive today who wouldn't have been without the atomic bombs. And I'm not even talking about american soldiers here, I'm talking about civilians. Not dropping those bombs would have meant their death. Go on, tell them they should've died because the japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were innocently living their life and it totally wasn't their government, their labor and their devotion to the emperor that kept the war going.
After all, the real victims of the japanese imperial war were the japanese. Totally! You know, those who until today have not accepted their crimes and instead openly deny it.
Tbf, they were ready to surrender after the first bomb but it wasn't unconditional. They wanted protection for their emperor. The US wanted to drop the second bomb to make Russia think we had more. This is an open secret. The second bombing has nothing to do with stopping Japan.
And pretending like everyone has the power to end a war is horrifyingly childish. It's actually scary how naive and simple your viewpoint is when taken into context the monstrosity you're defending.
I wrote an actual rebuttal to everything you wrote. But I realize that all of this is meaningless because you are one of the people who just love to lie to protect imperial japan. I only need to focus on this one thing:
And here we see the lengths you go to defend the japanese monstrosities. The Potsdam declaration didn't mention the emperor at all. But you know what the japanese mentioned? That they would fight to the bitter end:
And this was their stance even after the first bomb, when they still demanded their four conditions
Those were their demands. This is what they wanted. That is why a second bomb was necessary. Not because of "the emperor". Because they wanted to keep running their country and never face consequences for their actions.
This is how dishonest people like you brush away all the shit Japan has done, turn everything upside down and turn victim into aggressor and aggressor into victim. You need to make things up to justify the fucked up decisions of imperial japan because you can not allow the idea that japan was at fault.
The only reason Japan surrendered was because they expected to have an ally in the Soviet Union. They surrendered because the S.U. declared war on them, not because of the bomb.
Losing a major ally will definitely change your plans. Being bombed is just part of war.
I'm not condoning the Japanese. I'm just saying there was likely not a need to drop a second nuclear bomb in this world. You seem insistent that not condoning countless deaths of Japanese people seems to be apologizing for them. You aren't actually arguing for necessity of the actions in your posts but the necessity of believing in punishment of them. Just as I don't think random murders of US Americans would be a justified if it stopped the wars in Afghanistan which is exactly what your logic dictates would make it ok. You basically justified terrorism and events like 9/11 dumbass.