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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Sometimes, you just need to wipe the drawing board clean and start over. ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿ‘‹ ๐Ÿ”ฅ

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[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (23 children)

Don't go down the "natural balance" kind of revenge fantasy. It only makes one comfy in passivist boundedness. Also the guy in the picture is far more likely do do just fine in a climate catastrophy than you. Gaia nature god lady won't bring you any justice, at all.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (20 children)

It's not about justice. It's about homeostasis. The guy and possibly his kids will be fine in their luxury climate bunkers as the world grows more bleak and they bark orders remotely until there's no one left alive or dumb enough to keep listening.

The thing is though, what we've done and are doing right now will take millions of years to heal. Nothing to Earth's 3.8 billion year old story of life, but effectively eternity to our monkey brains. I just don't see our species putting down our shovel and living within our ecological means when that would mean necessary decline in our quality of life and intentional population control over time. We were warned for a century. We are feeling the effects. Scientists are noting new runaway effects conservative estimates didn't account for. We need to stop 30 years ago, and we won't even stop today.

I don't consider it justice, I consider it wholesale refusal as a species to live within our ecological means. We just keep digging, and the consequences, the physics, don't care why.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Of course your base argument - capitalist economy is ecolocically destructive and dysfunctional regarding the needs of the many.

"Until there is noone left to fulfill their orders" thats the kind of "justice" i'm talking about. Like, Homoestasis will put them down in the end. Justice will be served. But that's deceptive satisfaction.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Justice would be them dying and the many societies people like them destroyed for self-enrichment that lived in equilibrium with nature, like the Native Americans, thriving again.

I agree with you. Justice isn't on the table.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Edit (cant properly edit on jerboa rn) .. your base argument is right.

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