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I recently moved to California. Before i moved, people asked me "why are you moving there, its so bad?". Now that I'm here, i understand it less. The state is beautiful. There is so much to do.

I know the cost of living is high, and people think the gun control laws are ridiculous (I actually think they are reasonable, for the most part). There is a guy I work with here that says "the policies are dumb" but can't give me a solid answer on what is so bad about it.

So, what is it that California does (policy-wise) that people hate so much?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There we go. This is what I was looking for.

Prop 65 is definitely useless. But I don't see that as a reason to move out of the state.

The whole thing that prompted me to ask was that I was told some people left the state for Montana because of the "policies" but I couldn't get a good answer on which policies they disagreed with.

Homelessness is certainly a problem here that's worse than most places. But it's still a problem everywhere you go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's far from useless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_California_Proposition_65#Accomplishments

It forced companies to reformulate their products to use less harmful chemicals to avoid having to use the label. And it was highly successful at that, not only in California but outside, because businesses don't want the labels on their products. Especially food products or products meant for kids.

What you see is malicious compliance from businesses as there is no penalty for putting the sign if there's no dangerous chemicals. If they put it often enough, then most people think this law is ridiculous. For example. If Disney would get a civil lawsuit (this is how the law is enforced), because for example one their restaurants were using dangerous chemicals, this sign won't protect them. So it serves no other purpose than to make it appear that the law is pointless.

Other ways they fight it is trying to pass federal law banning it, they had several attempts.

They also making strawman lawsuits, even creating companies specially for the lawsuit to show that this law hurts business.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I don’t think anything I said would be a good reason to move away, but then again, CA is probably one of the top 5ish states I would live in.