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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (30 children)

So lets stop to consider, regardless of that nazi memorabilia.

You live under a fascist dictatorial regime. There are very few options available for you to live a relatively uneventful life.

Either you're an open, true, supporter, a passive one or a dissimulated dicident. Yes, there are more options available, but lets take these as the most broad categories.

Now let us consider that your regime an enacted several acts of domestic, unprovoked violence, internal purges and other assorted brutal and unpredictable actions against social peace and stability, in order to cement its unquestionable power over an entire nation.

Then, that same regime advances to a state of war, where all resources and infrastructure are comandeered to bolster the military.

At some point, companies are put a very simple option: either they cooperate and remain active or they refuse and suffer the consequences, that at best can be simple nationalization and purge of the heads.

Considering all of this, BMW supporting Germany's war effort is understanble.

Do I agree with that decision? No. But do I understand it? Yes.

Cooperate and live or refuse and die? Not an hard choice, especially if a lot of money is put on the table.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Awe, poor multi million dollar corporation had to support the Nazi war killing a shit ton of people or they would lose monies...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What do you think the Nazis did to people who refused to support them?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What do you think would happen if everyone didn't support them? You think it's okay to genocide if someone threatens you with a spanking?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, I don't think it's okay. Yes, I know that if nobody supported them, the Nazis would have never risen to power in the first place.

But "corporation bad" doesn't mean it's always a matter of "I did this horrible thing to save a bit of money." Sometimes there are lives on the line.

Please do not equate concentration camps with a spanking either. You don't need to belittle the actual suffering they caused to make the valid point that cooperating with them is evil.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oskar Schindler spent millions and most of his personal wealth to continue operating while saving as many jews as possible.

The leadership at BMW had many options available to them and instead chose to actively support genocide that they knew was happening. They used slave labor from the concentration camps. Leadership at BMW knew full well what was happening.

Yes, it is fully reasonable to expect people exploiting slave labor and actively contributing to a genocide to either do the right thing and do everything in their power to help the people being murdered, like Schindler, while risking their own lived.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah. Are you trying to prove me wrong, or just provide additional information/opinion? I'm having trouble figuring it out, because it sounds like the former, but I'm not seeing much conflict in the information itself.

Thanks for the info, though. I hadn't known that they used slave labor. I was only reacting to the initial meme. Of course that is far less understandable than just having made vehicles for the Nazis in wartime economy.

It's also important to keep in mind that the leadership of the company today consists of probably 0 people who were part of the wartime BMW, and they do own up to their predecessors' misdeeds, so I don't think it's fair to blame today's BMW for it any more than it is to blame today's Germany.

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