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They can't do that. The iPhone must comply with PD.
Yes they can. Its just all about labeling. They can label a cable that fits to the standard and say "made for apple"
No, the regulation isn't just usb-c, it's usb-c and power delivery. Apple can't magically escape both of them with a "made for apple" cable. It must accept all third party cable and charger.
Of course they can:
USB -PD support at limited speeds.
A proprietary Apple chip enables higher speeds, either using USB-PD still or another proprietary charging protocol.
They can just have both
As I commented above, the regulation clearly states "any additional charging protocol allows for the full functionality of PD.. irrespective of the charging device used."
So they can't have both unless they split EU & RoW devices.
I hadn’t heard this. Good on the EU not letting them squirrel out of this (hopefully)
The question is more about "how much" of PD they support right? Like PD has standards for charging at higher or lower currents.
My understanding of the current-gen MacBook Pro is that they support some kind of "fast charging", but only if you use their MagSafe port. You can still charge on the USB-C ports, but not as fast as you could with MagSafe. I'm not sure if that's a violation of the regulations, or if PD simply doesn't have support for the amount of power they're pushing through the MagSafe.
But I think the point is that they'll continue to look for ways to offer a better experience with their proprietary stuff, even if they're forced to support a standard in addition.
Interestingly all Apple silicon Macs support fast-charging via USB C. The 16-inch can only do 140W fast-charging via MagSafe, but that makes sense since ports that support charging speeds >100W are fairly new
Laptops are being gradually added to the list of devices within scope of this change. It only counts for any new device being sold on the market after the changes take effect.
The clause only makes sure that chargers do not limit, when connected to competitors devices. The regulation is coming from an e-waste perspective, which the EU has made it clear that it is not interested in entertaining or letting companies push them around.
No:
https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-10713-2022-INIT/x/pdf
The regulation actually enforces that PD is implemented if high speed charging is available and that it can’t be limited in speed compared to any other charging protocol that’s also available on the device, irrespective of the charging device used.
We don’t need to guess if we can just read the regulation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32022L2380&qid=1691523718368.
Wouldn't that be false advertising? It needs some internal feature that makes it faster, and there's no way it'll naturally be faster than a regular USB-C.
How is it false advertising? Apple makes a cord to spec and standard and slaps a "made for apple" tag line on it. Its just marketing. Nothing special about the cable. Its just a way to ensure apple fanboys buy it.
The bolded part is the problematic bit.
I never said for faster speeds. All it has to say is "made for apple".
Okay...but that's what the guy you were originally replying to had quoted...I think we can both agree it changes quite a bit if you don't include the faster speed.