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I mean, exactly how invasive are default operating systems? (Like Windows, Mac, Chrome OS, Android, iOS) Do they log your keystrokes, log passwords, capture screen, upload your photos, videos, or audio? (Assuming you aren't a target of government) Is it even possible for the average person who doesn't feel comfortable messing with installing operating systems to have any privacy?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

You'll be a lot less private, but it's not black and white.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

true all the way down to the silicon really. Unless you are prepared to do you own lithography you are on an untrusted platform.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Of course this is true, but moving to a privacy respecting OS, like linux or buying a phone w a custom ROM installed goes a long, long way to improving the situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is a highly loaded question.

You are making a number of very poor assumptions based on a number of ridiculous misconceptions.

The average, everyday, human adult is fully capable of understanding their own personal "threat landscape". How they deal with that will vary.

For most; if not all, average consumers; their concerns are still very limited. They're not so much concerned with the provenance, the history, of companies...they just want to duck for the oncoming threats in their landscape. These metaphorical tree branches are what they're ducking under. They have no logical need to fear the entire tree.

Personally, I choose not to live like Stallman, nor do I have fears of big state repercussions like Snowden does. Neither does your average consumer. Functionality is the top priority. Functionality on-par with the CSSC (Closed-Source Software, Corporate) competitor is critical. If the FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) version can do exactly what people typically want and expect it to do AND cost less monetarily AND can impact their privacy way less than using the CSSC competitor would, then it will be adopted by many and loved by all who use it.

This isn't to say that privacy does not matter.

It simply means that privacy is a spectrum; and everyone has varying privacy wants and needs. For some reason, a large potion of the "tech-savvy" people in the FLOSS community feel the need to measure their superiority in "How private their systems are." The average user does not give a damn about that dick measuring contest; and really would rather not be bothered. They just want the amount of privacy that is right for them, and their specific situation.

It is best to put your ego aside when discussing privacy, or helping someone else to discover and improve their own privacy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Privacy is not binary. There are degrees of privacy that can be achieved. Where you would like to be is totally based on your personal situation. If you are a beginner, understand that privacy is a journey.

Regarding which OSes you could use for your computer if Linux is not an option:

Windows in my experience is the worst offender when it comes to telemetry. It is so ingrained in the OS that you'll never be certain there isn't any telemetry regardless of the measures you take. MacOS on the other hand can be configured in such of way that Apple will have very little if any telemetry on you. It also has good permission controls which would cover things like screen capture and logging of keystrokes which you mentioned above. You could do the following:

  • Purchase a Macbook
  • Opt out of using an Apple Account (as of today it's optional)
  • Opt out of using iCloud
  • Opt out of any telemetry
  • Turn on built-in firewall
  • Turn on disk encryption
  • Install Lulu or Little Snitch to block any Apple telemetry

This alone will probably put you in a better position than 99% of people (not an actual statistic).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not a Mac guy, but I get the sense that using a Mac without engaging in any of Apple's ecosystem would result in a very degraded experience

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly it doesnt make the experience much worse in my experience

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Agreed. I was using Apple products for more than a decade before switching to Linux and Android, and I opted out of several of their products long before I started considering the privacy aspects of things. For example, I found the experience of using something like iPhoto to be very lackluster. I reluctantly ended up using iCloud due to the superior pricing compared to Dropbox, which I used before. That was a particular nightmare when migrating away from the Apple "ecosystem".

I'm sure their products cater to many users preferences, but I'm not one of those, and had a better experience using other products. That should've made me jump ship way earlier than I did, but a combination of cost (by the time I would've changed, I had already purchased a new MacBook which I ended up using for about 6 years) and inertia.

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