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[-] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

The Democrats knew this was going to happen. There's no way they couldn't. And I don't mean Democrat supporters, many of whom were vehement that Biden was fine like so many anecdotes in this thread recount. I mean the Democrat leadership, who manage his campaign and more than likely manage his presidency. Unlike the public, they have access to him. They have his medical records, the reports of his doctors and caregivers, everything. There's no way they didn't know this would happen if he debated.

They might start seeding support for a different candidate into their supporter's discourse after this, but they will have been planning for this outcome long ago. And when a left-leaning (left from a US Overton window) news platform hosts a debate that shows him up that badly and then publishes commentary like this, you have to wonder if that caused friction with the DNC or if they assented to it.

As the party starts singling out a replacement, the question I hope people start asking is why they didn't replace Biden earlier? Did they need to wait until the urgency of imminent elections made their new candidate more palatable? And if they don't replace Biden, why are they letting Trump win?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I'm more worried that he won't win the election rather than he will win it. I don't think the debate changes anything about that, people are likely still going to vote who they were going to vote for. He is the not Trump vote, and it's just as important as ever if not more important to vote not Trump.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

And he's still the better choice

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nothing that was said or done in this debate has changed my views or voting preferences. This is an election between two dementia patients. Both are previous generation religious bigots. But only one is an authoritarian fascist. I'm a single policy voter this election. I've seen and been shot at by the Aryan Nations. I don't want to deal with that shit nationally.

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[-] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago

Actually, the other way around. We keep on compartmentalizing, Trump can lie all he wants and nothing happens, but Joe stutters and it's a national disgrace... How can you compare one without including the only alternative?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Why is Trump the only alternative? There have to be 1000 better democrats than Biden.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

The fact that the democrats have selected such a terrible candidate that Trump has a running chance for the third time in a row and that the US as a whole has selected two awful candidates for possibly the most important job in the world, that is a disgrace, and it is shameful.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Trump would have a running chance regardless of who the democrats pick would be, the electoral college and republican party have made sure of that.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

Republicans accept a post-truth society where everything is someone's propaganda, that the federal government is out to get them and that the union would be better served as a union of state-level republics. Democrats still believe in the existence of a ground truth and want a union with centralized control (i.e., they are Federalists). Like the Federalists, the Democrats are backed by wealthy financial states (New York, California) as opposed to more rural/working-class states (Alabama, Ohio) and support heavy industrial subsidies (Biden's IRA, CHIPS) as well as weak state governments.

This is a fundamental difference that explains a lot, actually. The role of government has always been to convince populations to pursue the policy goals of the elite. The foundations of representative democracy involve choosing which elites' policy goals to follow. The Republicans want to follow state elites (to borrow a Chinese proverb, the mountains are high and the President is far away). The Democrats want to follow federal elites.

Here's the real problem. The US gets to choose between a career politician and a career businessman (swindler, by definition). Who represents the working class? Who represents the people who actually built America's economy?

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

alarm bells?

wait they didn't know he was old before this debate?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Apparently millions of people during the 2020 primaries didn't math long enough to realize Biden would be 86 years old after two terms.

[-] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago

As bad as Biden was, CNN were worse. Fuck that shitty network for allowing Trump to lie pretty much nonstop for 90 minutes unchallenged.

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[-] [email protected] 105 points 2 days ago

Biden is well past his prime, had a shitty performance last night, hate his record on Israel, but I’m still voting for him because he’s not Trump and I’d prefer that our representative democracy continued. Moving to a braindead, functionally illiterate dictatorship just seems like an all-around worse move in every respect. Not sure about his chances, but whatever, there’s not really any other alternative at this point.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

I distinctly remember that before I left Reddit, I had some lovely discourse with someone who was absolutely inconsolable over my opinion that Biden was too old for the job. Got called ageist and everything else they could think of.

Trust me, I hate being right.

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[-] [email protected] 82 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Trump would only win if the Democrat party found someone seemingly more inept than him.

I am impressed that the Democrat party managed to present not one, but two outstandingly incompetent candidates. In a row. That's some bottom of the barrel advanced scraping techniques right there. They even managed to get a representation of both sexes.

I'm sure Mr. Biden will be terribly distraught, as soon as he is able to understand what's happening around him at the moment.

[-] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The Democrats are still stuck in this post-Clinton seniority mindset where they unofficially pick a candidate before primaries even begin, based on who has been around the longest and who has held the highest position. Remember "it's her turn"? Yes, yes, I know it didn't work against Obama, but heading into the debates everyone assumed Hillary would be the candidate until Obama put on the better show. More to the point, I think Obama breaking through scared the establishment Dems into doubling down on primary fuckery. See what happened to Bernie, twice. So now we have a president who knows all the right people but plays politics with the 1990s rulebook and has a terminal case of crusty old man voice.

Still better than Trump.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Obama has absolutely absurd charisma. He's the Democrat version of Trump - knows exactly what to say to his base and knows how to convince moderates he's not insane.

Clinton and Biden have the charisma of a limp noodle. Sanders has absurd charisma, but he's seen as too big of a threat to Democrat lobbyists and big corporations.

Sanders would've mopped the floor with Trump because he would've actually been able to grab the 18-44 demographic (which last saw peaks in 1992 Clinton/Gore and 2008 Obama/Biden, both to unseat a Republican and, coincidentally, a Bush).

Sanders would have been able to avoid the collapse in turnout from working-class Black people in 2016.

Sanders would've stopped the increasing right-wing radicalization of the youth of America, or provided a counterweight for left-wing economic radicalization.

The US federal elections are basically a pony show and the DNC doesn't know how to play the game without throwing out their playbook.

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago

When Jon Stewart referred to Biden's expression as resting 25th amendment face. 💀

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This whole thing gonna take the U outta the USA

It was good knowing ya, murrica

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Biden shared a stage tonight with the only man he can reasonably defeat in this election. I think I should announce my candidacy, I could run on a "my dick can get hard without pharmaceuticals" platform.

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[-] [email protected] 100 points 2 days ago

The fire alarm has been going off for 5 years and they're just now noticing the fire.

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