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I always wonder... Samsung has been in this for a long, long, LOOOOONG time and they're essentially the Gods of smartphone styluses (stylii?).

So, would we ever see such a level of integration?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, having used lots of devices without and a few with, I am firmly in the "neat, but so what"-camp.

And I would surmise that this is overall how other companies see this: They could compete, but there's just no reason to. Samsung doesn't sell their phones and tablets because they have S-pens, they sell them because they're the Apple of Android phones, they sell brand name for a sizable markup. That's a soft goal to compete with, and hence not a good one to go after with one specific hardware feature.

Unless there's some incentive, say a new mode of UI interaction that is entirely based on stylus interactions, I can't see other manufacturers being interested in it at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a fair enough assessment. But like with Matter, the open source IoT platform, maybe the existing devices start supporting this?

I hope it works out for our benefit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Haven't you read about the recent Matter events? They went with WiFi instead of just a protocol and they are discussing who owns the matter network in your home. Now the small companies are whining that Matter is becoming yet another standard.

XKCD all over again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is false. Matter can run over multiple protocols and does in fact have its own called Thread which is based on Zigbee

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Okay. I have no idea about how Matter works tbh so I'm just gonna say Yay and move on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The tech behind the s-pen is made by Wacom, and they're in the USI, so I don't think it's totally impossible. Pens are just pretty niche right now, partly because the android tablet market is so lousy. I think the tech has improved a bit--supposedly they're down to a 0.7mm tip now, which is in the range where handwriting on a phone starts to make sense again. So maybe we'll see more uptake of these, especially if the foldables market grows.

The use cases I really want to see for this tech are things like an advanced calculator that lets you handwrite an integral and then gives you the closed form solution if it exists, or a graph, etc. if it doesn't; and a nice pen-driven CAD program. Those would be amazing things to have in your pocket all the time, but they're a little too intricate to work well with fat fingers on a phone.

But for now I don't think the tech is really quite good enough for phones. It's good enough for my brother-in-law, who is an animator, to use it to doodle all the time, but that's kinda it. On the iPad Pro he can do a lot more with the Apple Pencil, but that has more to do with the Apple tablet software ecosystem than with the pen itself, and Google has neglected that aspect of Android. On phones the pens just seem pretty limited.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Google has failed Android on all fronts multiple times and Samsung and other manufacturers have been picking up Google's slack for years!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They still make the s-pen? With no slot it's so easy to be lost

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

S23 Ultra has a slot. And they sell a case for the Fold 5 that the pen snaps into

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

S Ultra is the Note now. Which makes Sense, why wait half a year to release the same phone with a stylus.