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Despite his lip-service to democracy and human rights, Biden keeps embracing autocrats and would-be autocrats

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Do they have a choice?

US needs India in their sphere, in order to help isolate Russia and economically disentangle from and challenge china.

They can’t afford to undermine him, especially with all his fervent nationalist support (on the rise in a world full of economic and cultural uncertainty).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's always a choice, but while Modi's India is a fairly bad ally, it's still better than others, like Saudi Arabia. Gotta pick your battles.

Maybe some day when the important conflicts are in a different region we can take India to task over things like their police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

Lmao. The police here are far too busy harassing innocent citizens to do that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, they have a choice. Ignoring India's issues including that they in fact increase trade with Russia massively is not what stops them from going on like this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Making an enemy of a country with 1 billion people is absurd reddit-tier kind of logic. It's far better to have a country like India as a close ally

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but ignoring their issues doesn't make them a close ally. Just another one roughy affiliated, that knows it can do whatever without consequence other than strongly worded letters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They are a close ally and always have been unless you've been living under a rock for 50 years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I have lived under a rock where India bought Russian military for years and is now working hard to become their new biggest trading partner... such close allies.

What you are talking about is: it could be worse and they could be openly hostile.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I guess you have been living under a rock because I'm still old enough to remember George Bush inviting Putin to Texas where they played golf together, and every President before him going to Moscow for diplomatic missions.

Hey, here's a video of Obama and Medvedev having a Burger together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIEByvOXwdw

I'm also old enough to remember Germany helping to build the Nord Stream pipeline:

"Nord Stream (German-English mixed expression for "North Stream"; Russian: Северный поток, Severny potok) is a network of offshore natural gas pipelines which run under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany to provide Western Europe with natural gas"

What you're talking about is China, not India. Get your countries right. China literally has the same Hammer and Sickle Emblem on their stupid State Insignia ffs. They held a massive communist rally 2 years ago and mimic the Soviet Union in every way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

The US already has one enemy with a billion people, why not two?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Why would India join any sphere? India's success historically has always been from a policy of neutrality and having the Himalayan mountains block any ideas against that neutrality.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

Why would the US stop supporting autocratic and illiberal regimes now? Did we find our principles at any point in the last 70 years?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Illiberal? The BJP party and the RSS are fascists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Can confirm, it's literally 1939 and we force Muslims to wear gold stars and send them to concentration camps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

PM Modi says "Identify them by their clothes", and all over India Hindu supremacists beat Muslim men to death after forcing them praise the Hindu god Ram.
PM Modi ignores and refuses to discuss the ethnic & communal genocidal civil war in Manipur that is in its 5th month, while churches are burnt and Kukis have been ethnically cleansed from Imphal valley.
Peacefully protesting Sikh farmers are called Khalistani and terrorists while a violet hindu supremacist attacks them under Delhi police's eye.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah we have daily ritual of beating Muslims. Not to mention this clothing we make them wear. It is required by PM modi's law to kick a Muslim whenever we see them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we have daily ritual of beating Muslims.

Combine that with violent Islamophobic hate-speech, destroying centuries old shrines of Sufi saints, and you'll find it has become a daily all-day event. If India had a tracker saying "_ days since we persecuted Muslims since 2014" , that no. would show 0.

If you're embarassed at the outing of religious perssecution of minority religions in India, then instead of playing a wierd denial game, work to stop the persecution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Why would I believe trackers when I bash them every Wednesday myself?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Oh, I forgot the part where a country could be fascist without literally committing the Holocaust.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Wow. Genocide is not a minimum criteria for fascism.

Fascism is characterized by an ideology that one group of people is superior to others. That's literally the ideology of the RSS. Hindu nationalism is fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As an Indian, this issue is far more complex than you make it out to be. I never voted for BJP but yeah, they are not fascists, but the potential is there. RSS is basically like the military wing of BJP, more accurately, BJP is the political wing of RSS.

We Indians have seen oppression under the left and the right, so we don't usually use these labels so loosely.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If the goal is economic transformation, socialism works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Socialism is like the ex we thought was too pretty but turned out not to be that pretty :(

Tried that, didn't work all that good. Although it kinda had it's advantages. I like what we have in India better

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

There's a reason Deng Xiaoping wrote what he did on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: the Soviet model of socialism wasn't as effective as it needed to be for developing countries.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

The RSS was created based on fascism and its leaders were huge fans of Hitler & Mussolini.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Unsure what they think letting India have only Russia to turn to would gain the US, but I promise it isn't realistic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Well at least he's not sending love letters to little Kim.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Reminder that India is still happily trading with Russia by buying their arms and buying their oil. In fact, India and Russia together found ways to circumvent the oil price cap and most Indians support Russia in Ukraine.

India is not an American ally. They're neutral and self-interested as they've always been.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

India is also happily trading with China. It's imports from China increased after China built villages in India's Arunchal Pradesh, invaded India's Ladakh & beat 20 Indian soldiers to death. Prime Mninister Modi's response to that act invasion & aggression was to publicly say that China did not invade India.

Modi is not USA's friend. He is a dictator who is friendly with other dictators.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, no. I am all against Modi and the BJP and most of their policies (except for the Foreign policy which has been a win acc to me)

But, no. You will not punish Indians because Modi is the leader of the country. And it's not in US interest to do this either. Some idiot at the Guardian might think this, but yeah, thankfully US foreign policy heads are not this dumb.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What punishment are you talking about? Did we read the same article?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Modi's followers are great at playing victims.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Why are you lying? You are lying and you know you are lying. You read me clearly say multiple times not only in this article that I wasn't a modi supporter. Heck, I didn't vote for the guy even though I could have thrice! So, why are you lying?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I notice you responded to this but didn't answer the question. There's no "punishment" referenced in the article but here you are throwing a temper tantrum. What exactly are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I was wrong. The article goes on to say what's wrong and most of it is accurate (i.e., there are more truths than outright lies in there) but yeah, it doesn't talk about a punishment.

But I am afraid that this could be a pretext for "punishment" and the condition in India, though bad is not as bad as they describe it in here. Anyways, yeah I kinda was wrong there in talking about punishment and shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

was I talking about you?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

US foreign policy is happy to punish Chinese people for Xi Jinping and Iranian people for Khamenei. Iranian women who want to study in the US and leave the regime get their visas denied and their study rights revoked for the audacity of having an Iranian passport.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Biden opened his address to the summit by describing his motivation for holding it: “in the face of sustained and alarming challenges … democracy needs champions”.

More recently, Biden invited Benjamin Netanyahu, who is presiding over the destruction of Israel’s democracy by targeting its judicial system, for an official visit to the United States.

In 2005 Modi, then the chief minister of Gujarat, was denied entry to the US because of his role in ethnic violence that left over 1,000 people dead, the vast majority of them Muslims.

According to a recently declassified report from the British Foreign Office, the Hindu mobs’ “systematic campaign of violence has all the hallmarks of ethnic cleansing” and “Narendra Modi is directly responsible.”

The National Registry Act, already implemented in the Indian state of Assam, is a seemingly contradictory effort to expel illegal immigrants.

Jack Kirby, a US national security official, has made light of objections to Modi, declaring that “India is a vibrant democracy.


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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Biden has always embraced autocrats; that's why the left didnt fucking want him on the ballot. We will always hate the DNC for forcing us to accept Reagan #11

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