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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So we're just going to take a comedian who is totally under the control of UA Nazis and US financial barons at his word? This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war. I know they're getting desperate, but we have to hope that they know where the line is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war.

That's a false dichotomy. Russia has been threatening to use nukes all the time. Threatening to blow up a reactor is just more of the same.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's simply not true. Russian nuclear policy is exclusively retaliatory. They haven't been making threats, but simply reminding the warmongers of the west that there are lines which must not be crossed. This has been the Russian and Soviet nuclear policy since they developed nuclear weapons technology. The threats are coming from the west, namely the US which does have a first strike policy. The US continues to threaten Russia by stationing nuclear weapons ever closer to Russia's borders. It's almost like nobody knows why the "Cuban" Missile Crisis started.

If anyone in the west would actually listen to Putin and Lavrov instead of putting words in their mouths, we'd all be pretty clear on what second strike nuclear policy means by now, as well as what the Russian objectives are. Instead we're taking obvious western atrocity propaganda at face value and not even bothering to ask the very basic question of who gains by telling this story.

We can only hope this story is "just" WMDs in Iraq or babies in incubators levels of atrocity propaganda myth making, and not Gulf of Tonkin level false flag preparation. Then again the US side has already executed many of their previously prepared false flag attacks in this war. Hopefully the MacArthurs in the room don't win this time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they're winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war?

Right, but they are not, they are ~~barely holding~~ losing ground.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Imagine being so utterly misinformed to think that Russia is losing the war. Let's just see what somebody who actually has a clue thinks https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you're asking here?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yeah, that totally looks like a reliable site that somebody without any brain damage would use as a source.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't need more evidence that your problem is with reading comprehension. This isn't a news source per se, this tells what the Russian state media reports about. It doesn't take much effort to corroborate that:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/7/5/russia-ukraine-live-news-kyiv-attacks-russian-forces-in-donestsk

https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-suicide-drone-attacks-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power/

Speaking about brain damage.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You haven't collaborated anything, and the fact that you think that's collaboration further underscores my point. How about we look at what IAEA, who actually have people on the ground, have to say

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-interview/20230629-iaea-saw-no-evidence-moscow-planning-attack-on-zaporizhia-nuclear-plant-but-anything-can-happen

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you should take a break, walk outside for a bit, and hop back with a clearer mind. Your are arguing about… I don't know what about.

Fact: Russian newspapers are announcing that an attack by Ukraine on the ZNPP is imminent. It doesn't matter whether you trust Ukraine's account of it, because this is literally in the Russian newspapers: https://www.rt.com/russia/579215-ukrainian-attack-nuclear-plant/

My question is: (what THIS thread is about) from the viewpoint of a Russian propagandist, how can they make this story seem credible, (or, IOW, what would Ukraine's motive be) considering that this would hurt Ukraine the most.

Next time you can use less of your condescending tone and more of your reading time to post on point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I think you should take your own advice, also try working on your reading comprehension while you're at it given that your link says Russia is worried that Ukraine would cause a provocation.

From a view point of a sane person who isn't guzzling Ukrainian propaganda out of a firehouse, it's pretty obvious that the Ukrainian offensive is a giant failure. Even western media now admits this. NATO summit is happening in a week, and Ukraine is desperate to get NATO involved directly in the conflict.

It's also pretty clear that the puppet regime in Ukraine doesn't care one bit about hurting their own country. If they did, they would've taken the peace agreement they were offered back in March.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

NAFO trolls downvoting every voice critical of Ukraine, I see you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really? They also once had a hydroelectric dam. Just don't post...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

You mean the hydroelectric dam that even US admitted Ukraine was launching missiles against? Just don't post...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.

Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it's more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don't forget that.