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Any recommendations for "positive" science debunking sites or creators? (lemmy.ko4abp.com)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Looking for resources that avoid berating people and just simply lay out the data with it's context from professionals in the field.

I don't know if I'm changing or the format of constantly pointing out how stupid someone is just gets more views, but it's getting to be hard to digest. I'm all for learning new things and possible deceptions on claims being made, just without all the sarcasm and personal attacks.

I used to enjoy Thunderf00t, and while his content is probably the same from the beginning I just can't do that condescending speech for 30mins anymore. My brain just starts to tune it out but I want the information. Professor Dave Explains, is probably borderline for me, Adam Something used to be less energetic with sarcasm in his past videos. Basically anyone that seems to have a personal vendetta with the people involved.

I believe I've ran across more positive debunking lately which might be why I want to shift my focus. Some notable mentions: Kyle Hill - Youtube's Science Scam Crisis (more humorous presentation), acollierastro - harvard & aliens & crackpots: a disambiguation of Avi Loeb (spends most of the time actually talking about history versus attacking Avi Loeb), Fraser Cain - A Big Problem with Modern Science Communication (just an all around kind presenter).

I'm open to any field or subject matter, just wanting creators that aren't raising their blood pressure while having to use an extremely incredulous negative tone to get their point across. I love to share the more positive videos with others when a conversation comes up and they've been sucked into a scam video that's twisted the narrative. I know if it's hard for me to watch, then they aren't going to get more than 2 minutes into a video with that type of approach.

Edit: Thank you everyone for all the awesome recommendations! I've added a lot of subscriptions and will make a master-list of all the sources to upload for anyone else looking.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why not just follow popular educational creators? Anyone who accurately explains science is inherently debunking false claims.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Very true, any recommendations that you enjoy? For the most part as I stated it's useful for certain topics that come up when someone's discussing some woowoo, it's hard for them to sit down and go through a whole course when the context of what they're discussing doesn't come up. There's also the problem of being slightly educated in a topic but then falling down a rabbit hole thinking it's all legit (quantum subject matter seems to be particularly susceptible).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Tom Scott

Scott Manley

Minute Physics

Veratasium

Numberphile

Computerphile

CGP Grey

Adam Savage’s Tested

Kurzgesagt

Wendover Productions

PBS Eons

Dan Olson (Folding Ideas)

hbomberguy

Captain Disillusion

Smartereveryday

That my shortlist

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, just so you know, your comment displays as one big blob without formatting, at least on my app. A single carriage return doesn't display as a new line. Adding "* " to the start of the line would put your list as bullet points, or adding a second carriage return would put each item on a new line.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Added some more returns lemme know if that helped

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

That's much easier to read. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Don't forget PBS Spacetime!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

MiniminuteMan, Tsuki, Practical engineering, Ben G Thomas, Townsend, Skaldagrim, Steve mould, Joe Scott, Applied science, Atomic Frontier, A shot of wildlife, Curious droid, Answer in progress, Tasting history, Casually explained, City beautiful, Plainly difficult, PBS Terra, Animalogic, Lindsay Nikole, Doctor Mike, Fern, Isaac Arthur, Sabine Hoffenfelder, Stefan Milo, ReligionForBreakfast, Crash Course, Bizarre Beasts, Geography geek, The plain bagel, Anton Petrov, History matters, Physics girl, Up and atom,

To name a few more

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Kyle Hill is a great one that I don't see getting recommended often enough.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

PBS spacetime

Smarter everyday

Practical engineering

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

3 blue 1 brown
applied science
stuff made here
breaking taps
alpha phoenix
practical engineering
Tropical tidbits

These are all excellent non-sensationalized channels. It's only tangentially related to your prompt, but they're all worth checking out for education/entertainment without obnoxious hype clickbait and controversy.

I only added suggestions that I didnt see in other comments. Many of the other suggestions are also in my personal collection.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Tom Scott is pretty positive. The videos aren't about debunking though, more just sharing info on random things.

One "debunking" style video might be the one on VPNs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDQEoe6ZWY

There's a other great one on online voting

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Thought Emporium is probably the premier creator when it comes to genetic engineering. I mean other times I've mentioned real things he's done, people thought I was being hyperbolic, but no he is actually training rat neurons to play doom, he did create custom Spider DNA to create spider silk with Yeast and he did engineer a virus to solve his lactose intolerance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Others have posted everyone I watch! There is another one that isn't really science but still attempts to be objective and that's Economics Explained which reviews contributing factors to current and historical global economic trends.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One of the reasons I think this particular type of debunk is rare, is that if you're reaching that level of professionalism in your approach, then you're probably getting to the point where it'll be more efficient for you to simply perform the debunk yourself, since you're probably able to tell a quality source from your uncle on facebook by that point.

Debunks, as a product, are generally for a certain market. Because not everyone needs them in the first place.

All that said, I think you're revealing a market that exists, waiting to be tapped. The unemotional and level-headed debunk.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

The problem with debunking is that it is inherently boring and an inefficient way to learn. To debunk something, first you have to explain the nonsense to the audience (which is ultimately pointless, especially if they haven't heard the misinformation before), and then you go step by step providing accurate data.

Itll always be more interesting to provide the correct accurate>!!< information in the first place, because then you can control the narrative that is used to provide the information instead of being forced to conform to the narrative of the misinformation.

A clear, non sarcastic debunk is simply 50% explaining nonsense, then 50% a list of correct information. And a list is boring. That's why all the debunkers inject personality into the debunks, because that's the only way to make it interesting and entertaining.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

You might like Captain Disillusion, he's more about VFX type stuff but it's a good series nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This guy is creating amazing short videos where he's debunking UFO sightings with a huge amount of science and simple graphical tools.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Mick West is amazing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Shoutouts to acollierastro, who mostly addresses ideas instead of people in her debunks. Her videos do contain some snark, but she tries to keep from being unecessarily mean

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Kyle Hill and acollierastro are two of my favs.

I also like Dr Becky. She mostly just likes to educate on astrophysics, but whenever the media overblows something in the field she's usually there to tell you what the data actually means.

Similarly I wouldn't class it as a debunk channel, but any time there's a major engineering disaster Practical Engineering usually does a video of what happened mechanically.

And I'd encourage people to go through some of Physics Girls old videos. She got totally sidelined by covid induced ME/CFS but her older content is great.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did thunderf00t ever recover from his „the feminazis are destroying the world“, „anti sjw“ bullshit? I remember being linked one of his videos years ago, seeing that bashing women is 90% of his other content and going „well another one for the shitlist“.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Kinda, between the iconic hbomberguy video that tore his videos to shreds and his experiences of being on the other side from his new alt-right pals on the subject of Brexit, he had a bit of a rude awakening and seems to have steered away from political content, but he has never acknowledged any wrongdoing or expressed any remorse for his shitty behaviour.

He likely still holds the exact same opinions as before, but keeps them to himself now. Either way, he isn’t worthy of your support.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Forrest Valkai is an angel

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Reacteria is a lot of debunking, but it's also a lot of dunking

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I don't ever feel like Forrest is being mean, honestly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

sabine hossenfelder

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Just as an aside, the "people involved" are science deniers. They are malignant sociopaths who invent disinformation for personal gain. And the people who believe them are often violent when challenged.

Scientists have avoided berating people and patiently laid out the data with context from professionals in the field since the beginning of science. This has made the science deniers bolder, and their followers more violent. The professionals are targeted, and the concept of expertise is demonized. That isn't hyperbole, religious fundamentalists cast education as a tool of the devil.

Anyone who publicly debunks fake science and myths will eventually fall to sarcasm, derision, and anger, because that is what their opposition deserves and requires. We should mock the obstinately ignorant. We should respond to stupidity with anger, because it is not an innocent mistake. It is a threat to society, and it may be what kills us all.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We should respond to stupidity with anger

This is really harmful rhetoric, while I’m sure you didn’t mean it in this way, you’re essentially saying that people should be treated badly simply for being misinformed or, worse, for having an intellectual disability. Wilful ignorance deserves derision, but we absolutely shouldn’t be hateful towards people who aren’t as lucky to be as educated or as intellectually talented as we are

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While all of that is true, I don't feel like that's a stance I wish to take. How do you bridge that gap so that other's can come out of that space? Berating a child for their beliefs does little in the long run if they have an echo chamber they can retreat to. I completely understand if that's not your concern and you would rather not waste the time with science deniers, it can be dangerous and frustrating as you've stated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

These are not children. There is content for children to learn and understand science. There is content for adults to learn and understand reality, for that matter. Debunking lies and disinformation is not a context that calls for temperance. If someone questions whether climate change is real, or if worm pills are as effective as a vaccine, they should be made to feel stupid. They should be ashamed of giving voice to their ignorance. Asking a question is how you learn. Spreading lies is anathema to education, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This kind of content doesn’t really succeed because it drives less engagement than it would if it was really impassioned and angry, and that means less money. So even creators that start out balanced, neutral and considered are incentivised to become more algorithm friendly by encouraging angry comments on their videos

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also debunking relies on a much larger base of existing knowledge by the viewer, funnily enough. It's far more likely someone clicks on a video explaining something they want to know than a video debunking a misconception they didn't know people had

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

It’s far more likely someone clicks on a video explaining something they want to know than a video debunking a misconception they didn’t know people had

I don’t think that’s true, honestly! My instinct tells me that someone would be way more likely to click a video called “why xyz is wrong about solar power” than a video called “learn more about solar power” even if they had no real experience in the area.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I'd shout out Folding Ideas for his series on Flat Earthers, NFTs and Blockchain Games. And I'd shoutout Knowledge Fight for debunking pretty much everything Alex Jones has ever said as well as Tucker Carlson and Project Camelot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Skeptoid is great podcast with a ton of episodes. Brian Dunning, the author, just finished a new film about alien conspiracies. See his website for more

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Myles Power! I had this same issue with debunking type channels but this guy has a much more informative and chill tone and he makes good videos.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Popular Mechanics did a lot of debunking 9-11 myths

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://youtube.com/@SabineHossenfelder?si=uqlmXEa_i1cjUygN

Sabine Hossenfelder isnt neccesarily a debunker, but she does post videos going over certain hot topics and breaking them down. It's fun!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Her videos explaining physics ar eone-of-a-kind, but her videos on sociology and psychology really prove the rule that an expert in one subject does make someone an all-around expert. Her video on trans people and ROGD sparked plenty debunking videos all on its own.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah her video on trans people really just left a weird aftertaste (per se) for me. It was really weird and definitely off the mark.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A little late, but a channel I like is potholer54. He usually talks about COVID or climate change nowadays, and back in the heyday of youtube atheism he did a lot of debunking of young earth creationists and evolution deniers. He has a strong science focus, discussing papers and tracking down peoples' sources and whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

potholer54

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Elina Charatsidou (YouTube), Nuclear Physicist. She debunks a lot of misconceptions about nuclear power and radiation!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

https://www.scienceupfirst.com/debunking-resources/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

As a replacement option for thunder foot, try Paulogia. I enjoy Viced Rhino for more scientific looks at anti-evolution claims, but he might be too condescending for you; he does have at least one playlist where he explains all the evidence for evolution without reacting to any one person that you might enjoy, though.

Honestly, like some other comments pointed out, you may be happier with explanations that aren't framed as responses. Philosophy Tube comes to mind. Just be aware that no matter the tone, condescension may be steeped into a person's massage.

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