this post was submitted on 18 Sep 2023
67 points (95.9% liked)

Asklemmy

42480 readers
1607 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Except politics of course. We all know everyone else is wrong.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 72 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Chemistry, and science in a broader sense. When you hear 'woah a new medicine has been found that could cure cancer' it's most likely 'we have developed a new gadolinium based compound that has shown efficiency in penetrating cancer cells and could be used to deliver drugs to these areas, however it has not been tested in humans because it kills rats faster that it cures cancer"

Almost every science headline was written by someone who never understood science. They just translate some foreign language into words that suits them.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

PopSci is tricky because on one hand, it’s great that there’s a lot of interest in learning about science and it should be promoted, but on the other, the vast majority of research is so complex that you literally cannot explain it to the layman without making it wrong in some way.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's why Bill Nye, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, etc are such treasures. They know science, but also are able to explain shit to laypeople. Scientific breakthroughs need to do press releases that the scientists themselves sign off on. Unfortunately, the misunderstood sensationalism gets clicks which makes money, so there's absolutely zero incentive for these journalists to get the story straight since they're profit motivated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The same Bill Nye that aired the episode "My Sex Junk"? Yeah, please no. That guy isn't even a real scientist.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

You're not wrong in general, but in the specific case of "X against Y", it's simply bad journalism. Every half decent journalist should be able to tell that the original research article might be of relevance for the field, but not the public.

Especially adding anything cancer-related to the headline is just pure evil. They knew exactly, that it will get many people's hope up and they'll click.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Medical science or research in general, it's all spun around to get clicks.

When people think there's a new "superfood" or "recommendation" from doctors every week, they stop trusting doctors. In reality, the processes and recommendations are very robust and take lots of time and research to change. A study will say that "we might want to look into X" and news will run with "groundbreaking study: x is the sole cause of y".

I'm not even an expert. Like you said "Almost every science headline was written by someone who never understood science"

https://xkcd.com/882/

https://xkcd.com/1217/

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Things that kill cancer include:

  • Fire
  • Polonium
  • High-test peroxide
  • Most strong acids
  • Chlorine

Of course, they also kill everything else.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's what radiation + chemotherapy does too. The whole goal is for the treatment to kill the cancer faster than it kills the human.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I had to do an assignment in college about news report headlines vs what was said in the abstract vs what was said in the conclusion. Basically finding out how many news reports just skimmed the abstract. Kinda shocking tbh.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Sadly I can only upvote this once

[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If I see one more article about knitting where the photos are clearly crochet, or vice versa, I swear to god...

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago

It’s the same with electronics and people holding the hot part of a soldering iron

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Corsets. They were not uncomfortable or restrictive, and they did not make women faint. Only the Victorian equivalent of the Kardashians were into dangerously tight lacing – for regular women, they were just a fitted support garment, no worse than spanx. I’ve worn them for 25 years as a late-Victorian reenactor. They’re actually really nice for back pain.

On the other hand, hoop skirts were immensely dangerous, and women were burned to death when their skirts caught an open flame (of which there were many), were dragged to death when their hoops caught in coach wheels as they disembarked, and fell to their deaths when the wind caught their hoops and sent them flying Mary Poppins style from rooves and balconies.

Corsets were fine; hoop skirts were a death trap.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was thinking of gettingy ex-wife a hoop skirt for her birthday.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This is a huge one in movies and TV shows especially, but part of the problem is that IT security, or counter-security, is not a great spectator event. It's very dry, does not involve a lot of flashing lights or even really anything on screen except in many cases a command prompt or progress bar, and is in most cases not a quick process.

That said, Mr. Robot, while not perfect, did a really good job of being a more realistic portrayal.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Expectation: "Oh my God. They're hacking the system! Deploy counter measures!!! furious typing"

Reality: "So, we sent out a phishing test email and had a 61% click rate..."

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We had the opposite problem. Mandatory training by an external company. They sent an email to everyone urging us to click here and do the training, otherwise our company might not be certified!

Even ignoring the pushy text, the entire mail looked sketchy as fuck, generic company name, low res logo of our company badly photoshopped into a banner.

So everyone ignored this obvious spam and our company lost the certification.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

61%!? What subject line are you using!?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm not actually in IT in my org but I remember one they sent out was "FWD: Your Medicare Benefits Package is Maturing" followed a few days later by an actual company wide shame email from the CIO about the click rate.

Yeah... boomer companies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Probably "Your Microsoft account password needs reset" sadly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

IT-Sec can be pretty interesting if you know what someone is doing. I agree with you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I never understood why it was called Mr. Robot but he was a human?

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Skinhead culture was originally a mix of Rude boys from Jamaica mixing with British working class dock youths. The aesthetic grew around turning your working class clothing into respectable attire. You'd shine the doc martens you wore because they were slip resistant, turn up the ankles of your jeans to show a clean crisp cuff, tight skinny suspenders as this was the 60's and a Fred perry or Sherman shirt. They would mix with west indie immigrants at dancehalls and listen to Ska, Blue Beat and Rocksteady. There was also a whole scooter/Teddy culture that was a kind of proto subculture. But all that nazi shit came years later as the BNP co-opted what was a tough working class subculture into what most people know today. And don't get me wrong, the original skinheads were as racist as any blue collar British youth in the 60s/70s. But the origin is in my opinion one of unity.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The far right co-opting the look and image of anything that looks ‘tough’ when they themselves aren’t? Who woulda thunk it!?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

This is amazing! I had no idea there was an actual term for this. But yeah I frequently encounter flat out misinformation in most news sources and always have the thought: “If I know these parts are BS, how many of the things I’m not familiar with are also BS?!”

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Math.

John McCarthy had a saying: He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

And I can confirm, society talks a lot of nonsense.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Are there no UX designers in all the galaxies you’ve explored with your otherwise impressive space fleet? Because your bridge UI is trash. >:(

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Electronic product development. Apple releases a iPhone every year, so people think you can start developing a new phone in September and ship 100M of them the following September.

Really became a problem with Kickstarter reporting where some bullshit project would ask for a puny $50k to develop and ship a tiny wrist mounted supercomputer phone and promise to ship in six months, and tech blogs would eat that shit up without an ounce of skepticism.

I even wrote a blog about it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Literally anything having to do with Infosec or the Dark Web.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

i think letterkenny might have the most realistic representation of "the dark web"

buncha tweakers in their mom's basement with a nerd friend that helps them look at onion sites so they can feel like edgelords without actually buying anything.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linguistics.

A stupefying proportion of what mass media and everyday people think they know about linguistics and languages is wrong. Unfortunately, they do not appreciate corrections.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I would love to know more! Feel free to vent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
  • You heard about that recent study trying to say that Indo-European speakers came from Anatolia? Classic case of people from another subject of study thinking their own experience and conventions transfer across fields. The dataset is supposedly very good but their theoretical framework and conclusions aren’t.

  • Your language isn’t the world’s oldest/first language.

  • That includes Sanskrit. It isn’t the Ur-language either. Sorry not sorry.

  • Neither is Albanian.

  • Nor Arabic.

  • Or Tamil.

  • Turkish neither.

  • Not all languages came from Latin—in fact, most didn’t. It’s a quirk of history that Romance (and Indo-European generally) spread so far and wide

  • Indo-European language theory is correct regardless of whether you choose to believe it.

  • Russia may be Satan’s dacha, but that doesn’t change the fact that Russian is a real language (and a Slavic one, to boot). Also, when I cite George Shevelov, you don’t get to write him off as a propagandist; he is Ukrainian, not Russian (somebody tried to do that to me last weekend, refusing to even consider the idea because his last name looks Russian).

  • Black people (or whatever minority of your choice) don’t speak “bad English” or whatever other language. African-American Vernacular English in particular is a well-studied lect—a language variety—with a ton of scholarship behind it; it isn’t arbitrary (“he eating” and “he be eating” have different meanings/connotations; they don’t just drop words for no reason—there’s logic to it).

  • “I could care less” is an idiom. The fact that it is so widely used and understood makes it a part of proper English. That’s the yardstick in linguistics: The crowd tends to win. (Or do the complainants never say things like “I read it a million times” or “it was a billion degrees out and humid”?)

  • Words like “supposably”, “liberry”, “expresso”, and “conversate” are analogically extended forms. Sound change and grammar change happen all the time. If you have issues with them, you will have issues with “tenth” (the original form of this word, tithe, survived as a specialized form), “snuck” (sneak is originally a weak verb, not a strong one), or “messenger” and “passenger” (analogy with challenger).

  • BONUS ROUND: The Armenian genocide DID HAPPEN. I was quite smugly told by a Turkish nationalist to “read the court case” as I was wrong…in which case THE JUDGES AGREED THAT IT HAPPENED and were only concerned with whether the right to deny history exists. I also got libeled as a racist “Cizvit” (“Jesuit”) for some reason. Same guy tried to pull the “Turkish is the mother of all languages” card, even saying that Native American languages came from Turkish. (Which is facially implausible. North American languages are often front-loading whereas Turkic likes to suffix.)

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Anything to do with space. I’m so sick of hearing about what newly observed thing has scientists baffled and is definitely absolutely unquestioningly hyper advanced intelligent extraterrestrials.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Every time they say that "scientists are baffled", I think that they're just talking to the stupid scientists.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Probably too closely related to politics, but "guns". "Stand Your Ground" laws. Use-of-force in general.

Too many people mistake corporate policy for law, especially when it comes to responding to armed robbery.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not an expert in airplanes and I'm not even a pilot, but even I know that most airport runways are not made of tarmac. They're made of asphalt, which is a different substance. Even some newer ones are made of concrete. But every time you'll watch a news report about planes at an airport they'll say "on the tarmac." It's not even slang among pilots. It's slang among journalists.

I know I know it's not super important but it annoys the shit out of me every time I hear it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't think this was ever meant as a description of the substance, but location. Like, you wouldn't say someone is waiting on the concrete or "I drove down the asphalt with my car".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

...what? But you wouldn't say tarmac either for your example. Youd say road.

If it's about location then they should say runway, taxiway, gate, hangar, etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

...what? But you wouldn't say tarmac either for your example. Youd say road.

Yeah, that's the point. "Tarmac" does not refer to the substance, because pretty much nowhere else would you describe the position of a person or object by the substance it's standing on. It's just a generalized term for "where planes go bssshhwww", whether that's the taxiway or whatever isn't relevant in these cases.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Solar. You'll see monocrystalline cells called multicrystalline or vice versa.

Villains. They don't admit to being villains in real life.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly, I'd be more curious what topics where the media does nail the nuances of. Are there any at all?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I guess it depends what one calls "the media". Something like IEEE Spectrum is top notch for tech news. Reuters and AP generally are pretty good for normal news. Past that, maybe something like The Conversation?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

My degree and professional training is all in physics. Biggest one for me is that they use "high temperature" when relating to superconductors like we're going to have superconducting phones next year, when in reality high-T superconductors are still colder than 100 K (-173°C, -280°F). Also they gotta stop flipping out over Water on Mars. That's so passe, there's a literal list on wikipedia on how many times that's happened. On the plus side though, most have just stopped trying to explain anything around physics and instead go for a more "x does y cause physics" approach

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not a pilot but it really irritates me when the media reports that a pilot "crash landed".

A crash is an uncontrolled collision with terrain, other aircraft, birds etc.

When a pilot attempts to land in emergency circumstances, it's just that- an emergency landing.

Sully didn't crash the plane on the Hudson river, he performed an emergency ditch manoeuvre which pilots train for.

Saying "crash landing" is an oxymoron. What the reporters usually mean is something along the lines of, "The pilot attempted an emergency landing on rough terrain but was unable to successfully bring the plane to a complete stop before crashing into trees."

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›