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There's a reason why Sweden and Finland held out for so long.

And that they're doing it with no say from the people.

When in the history of ever did a nation willingly withdraw from its enemy before even holding peace talks?

Did the US withdraw from Mexico before they started hashing out Guadalupe Hidalgo?

Did Germany withdraw from Russia before negotiating Brest-Litovsk?

Even the 'we do not negotiate with terrorists' US negotiated with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan.

It’s a deal, and withdrawal is one of the terms. You don’t do it before the deal has been made. That gives up all leverage.

And Ukraine has already demanded they get absolutely everything, including Crimea. If you want a deal to be everything you want and nothing you don’t, you need an unconditional surrender, not peace talks. Good luck getting Ukrainian tanks into Moscow.

Even if Russia were to withdraw to pre-war borders, Ukraine would keep fighting because they insist on taking Crimea which is a large majority Russians who want to be part of Russia.

Crimea has never truly been Ukrainian. It was internally transferred to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950s, but its population was Russian then and stayed Russian the whole time since. But Ukraine insists on having it back.

And if they did somehow get it back, they would start ethnically cleansing it of Russians. I hope you understand how that’s a bad thing.

Without NATO aid, Ukraine will just plainly be taken over by Purine Russia.

No it wouldn’t. At most they would take the southern half, Novorossiya. The rest they just want a guarantee won’t align with the West.

I've heard those evil RuZZians breath oxygen!

Claiming a territory against the will of its people is exactly what imperialism is.

It is nothing less than colonisation.

You mean like when the KMT fled to Taiwan, brutalized the natives, and colonized it, imposing four decades of martial law?

The specter of Hexbear

I bet you don't feel the same about separatism in Catalonia, Donbas, Kurdistan, or the Zapatistas.

Literally none of those are imperialism. Imperialism isn’t having a region want independence. Do you think Scotland not being allowed to have a vote is imperialism?