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with a level of federalization to protect it from future lapses in Ukrainian democracy.

With a puppet government, you mean.

Just like the "free" elections that they lead in an occupied territory.

But when Russia suggests they give some land to Ukraine to stop the war, Donbas gets offended and want to keep fighting.

LOL When did that happen tankie? Russia is the one that propped up the separatist movement in the Donbas in the first place.

How does that contradict what I've said? They want NATO to send weapons, and they fear Russia (for obvious reasons). And NATO needs to reassure them that they will support them in defending themselves against a potential Russian invasion.

Are you trying to change the subject? Or did you genuinely did not understand what I said?

Public opinion in Eastern European NATO countries is very much pro-Ukraine. They want NATO to send more weapons.

In fact, they have gone above and beyond to send them more weapons (percent-wise), than other countries.

But Ukraine is not a member. There is no reassurance required, or given, by NATO supplying non-members. In fact one could easily make the opposite claim: NATO depleting its own ammunition stores is doing the opposite of reassuring its members, by decreasing its own margins of safety.

Assurance to the other Eastern European countries that are members (read my previous response). The other Eastern European countries want to supply weapons to Ukraine (they have gone above and beyond to send extra to Ukraine).

Yes, NATO doesn't want a deal that could spark another war. And they also offered Ukraine a way to settle a dispute, lose territory, and stop a current war.

Explain to me then: How is the west forcing Ukraine to keep fighting? And don't say "stop supplying weapons", NATO has to assure their members that they would stand by them.

If NATO wants to stop the war, then why does it keep supplying Ukraine with weapons? Don't you think that indicates they want the war to go on indefinitely (and help out U.S. military industrial complex)?

NATO wants to give assurances to their Eastern European members that they won't bail on them when Russia starts eyeing their territory.

If they wanted to keep the war going, they wouldn't have made the offer in the first place.

Interesting how tankies keep saying that the west is forcing Ukraine to keep fighting. But when NATO suggests they give some land to Russia to stop the war, the Ukrainians get offended and want to keep fighting. 🤔

Don't feed the tankie.

Don't worry, lemmygrad will be here in a second with a bunch of whataboutism about the US.

It runs inside a docker container, so you could even have it locally (if you don't want to host it on a VPS).

First world tankie LARPer.