ratman150

They're very cool but the problem is aero. To build an ev-bike that's fast enough to be a motorcycle you run into a lot of drag. Ebikes that still go pretty fast but still technically are a bicycle fit this gap nicely.

Another issue is price though. To do my current commute via electric motorcycle id probably need to buy the HD Live Wire Del Mar, which if I remember correctly is about 17k. Do you know what else was 17k? My electric Fiat 500e which is what I generally use to do my commute. On the other end of the scale is pricing for ebikes which isn't that bad and does start around the 500-800 but can easily get into the tens of thousands of dollars for some very high end options.

While I see there's a lot of people here that disagree with me on motorcycles being just fine for commuting, it's important to recognize that not every task needs a car. Motorcycles are not the cleanest way to get around but they do overall have less impact. Sure you can off-road in a Cadillac Escalade, but how much will that tear the trail up compared to my 450lb klr650? You might be able to fit 6 months groceries in the back but you also need to park in the back to find a spot. Sure you can haul 8 people but how often is it just 1?

Finally, they're fun AF.

It just isn't, I can quickly and easily park my bike in basically any spot. If I know I'm not buying a lot I'll just bring a backpack and put my groceries in there as I checkout and if not I probably brought the scooter which has the same trunk as a small car.

I don't have to fuss about in traffic, look for a spot, or try to turn my car around in my tiny neighborhood. (Not the fiat...I do own one of those oversized American cars that's literally 18.5 ft long because it was cheap)

But hey maybe I'm just dead wrong, give a bicycle a try. (If possible I recognize not many north American places are bicycle friendly) try getting some groceries on a bicycle. You might actually enjoy the benefits, yes it'll be tough the first time and likely even the fifth...but you might come to enjoy it.

I can haul about the same amount of groceries on my bike/partner's scoot as our car...which tbf is a fiat 500 but nonetheless I can easily get a weeks groceries on a bike.

Love the down votes lol, you may disagree with me but facts are facts.

This is very true, even newer bikes that have more modern emissions are still generally exempt from the same standards as any car.

That being said if you have a high traffic commute it would still be faster for you to use a bike as well as better for everyone else in traffic so pros and cons.

Fortnine has a video that touches on the emissions/trying to be green and riding a motorcycle. The fact is most bikes not made within the last 10 years (and some that are) are carbureted and have little if any emissions control. Sure that Yamaha vstar250 might get 80mpg but that has more to do with having a smaller engine than a lawnmower than it does any modern engineering.

Jesus lotta "motorcycles are a deathtrap" in here.

Hi, I've been riding for 10 years on all different kinds of machines through many lengths of commute/fun. allow me to be abrupt motorcycles cost more than a Prius to own. The tires don't last as long, the maintenance is more frequent, obviously the gear you absolutely should be wearing is expensive but hey if none of that bothers you please continue to enjoy riding.

It's not very active but there's a motorcycle community here on lemmy, please join us ;)

Oh sick this will be sweet.

TBF sly and the gang worked for themselves with their own interests.

Harley Davidson STILL can't pass emissions without cheating.

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These are very basic arguments but I hope this helps.

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