And, you know, that gets me thinking... this whole conversation is exactly what capitalists want; infighting. You think I'm not radical enough for you, so you then label me as completely opposed to you. The problem is, I can guarantee we share a great many ideals, but you are too busy gatekeeping to allow others with slightly different but reconcilable ideals to be allies.

Gatekeeping? That was always the issue I had with "democratic" socialists who have positions, but insist that they're the 'democratic' ones because they want to make sure the slaveowners keep getting a vote (and continue existing).

hey as long as we're concerned about warmongering imperialists killing civilians indiscriminately, might as well not forget the all-time world champions

Death to America

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As always, death to america

Well you've been on lemmy for 3 months, and just started running into us in only the last month, meanwhile we've been chatting and having struggle sessions about this type of shit for years to various degrees. (especially since 22)

Ever since the illegal dissolution of the USSR, Russia has been a capitalist shithole, the treatment of LGBT people there sucks. They are what we made them, politically.

You construe a lack of support for Ukraine with 'shitting' on them. I want to see the US drop support for Ukraine because it would mean that people like you and I stop dying on a daily basis for lines on a map. There have been many chances for a negotiated end, and from where I'm sitting the US went out of its way to blow those opportunities.

Just because they used the word "dick" doesn't mean it's homophobic/mysognist. Also it doesn't detract from their other points.

I had to circle back to this one because the comment in question was not just misogynist for using " dick", but because of the implication that dickriding bad, why else use it in that context if it was intended to read as a positive connotation?

As soon as libs feel like it's a "safe" target they just let loose with the misogyny and homophobia.

I didn't address the threads they presented as evidence because I didn't see anything wrong.

The insurgents had been shooting people and using bombs or mortars and artillery since at least 2014. They even shot down airplanes back then. It wasn't just the Ukrainian government.

Yes, since the coup shit has been absolutely fucked, and all diplomatic solutions have been derailed.

I don't take Russian propaganda at their word, I also have decades of history to reference, all the rabid-ass Ukrainian propaganda, plus literally paying attention to shit going on in the last decade

The extent of "support" for Russia has been extremely critical on hexbear. You all just say that anyone not falling over themselves to slava ukraini is a Russia supporting Putin bot.

If they're spending their time messaging to a bunch of powerless leftists on their own closed off server they're wasting their time, what does that even accomplish?

Also, which side do you think the Russians are supporting in the US? Because it's not the left...

I frankly don't care who the Russians are supporting politically in the US because their propaganda capacity is near insignificant. Also, the Democrats are a right wing political formation, they will fight to protect landlords and break strikes.

Does Ukraine want to lose a bunch of their territory?

It already has, and not in the way you think. In 2013 Ukraine had a president unwilling to take an IMF deal, and opted for the Russian one. The maidan coup happened and now they have a president who does whatever the money men want.

Even now there's a website up for openly privatizing Ukraine, and the ultimate outcome in a NATO victory explicitly is going to be the privatization of the breadbasket of Europe.