steltek

There's about as much discourse here as rival football hooligans having it out in the streets. A lot of violence but it doesn't really change the score. What's the point of talking when no one's listening?

It's not just the redditors bringing the labels and hexbears are also effectively recently arrived, having updated their server.

No, you're not helping. At all. It's flamebait that can only derail the topic and turn into a circle jerk or verbal fistfight.

Here's an example that may help: Why is China allowed to participate in the Olympics despite their genocides and brutal crackdowns? Why the double standard?

Re: "dangerous for democracy". That's a little hyperbolic, don't ya think?

I don't support defederation. I think the calls for defederation strictly arise from political clashes that boil out of control and people that don't remember the Internet-that-was, before Reddit. "Free speech absolutist" wasn't a thing because no one pictured their little forum as mattering that much. Forum moderation wasn't about enforcing a specific world view or preserving an echo chamber, it was about preserving civil discourse. And since I'm typing this out I might as well add that I think if I was to dust off an early 90's or 2000's mod hat, I'd do the following:

• Referring to other commenters as reddit refugee/hexbear/liberal/grad/imperialist/shill/anti-westerner 's is a 3 day ban
• Bringing up the Iraq War, Tienanmen Sq, etc is a 3 day ban. Not some conspiracy to bury the truth. It's because everyone's friggin' heard it already and we definitely don't need more of it.
• Lazy whataboutism is a 1 day ban. This is vaguely defined for a purposeful chilling effect.
• War Is Bad. When not the topic of the article, fantasizing about a US-Ruso conflict/popular uprising/Taiwan invasion/WW3 is a 1 day ban.

What do people want this place to be? A place where all sides can meet (if they strictly behave)? An echo chamber? A raging angry gladiator pit? Like I said above, as a major Lemmy instance, this place should be downright boring and the extremists can retreat to other instances better suited to their anger.

It's particularly upsetting because lemmy.ml is a major instance. IMO, moderation in this c/ is infrequent and underwhelming. I don't mean to hang the mods out to dry; it would take a big team to wade through this effluent and tame the trolls. The hostile "Here comes the Reddit refugees" and "OMG Tankie brigade" shit is just the easy stuff. A rule on lazy whataboutism would help the signal/noise ratio as well. This post is from RT, about Ukraine/Russia/Belarus but the biggest thread in here is rehashing the Iraq occupation. Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?

Why do you even bother to engage in World News if your primary interest is ... the moronic good/evil framing of the world

From the guy that uses "imperialist" in every other sentence. This is especially ironic given that Russia is the one invading and annexing territory.

If you compare the sum of all Western countries together then China loses on both total and per capital so I don't see what your point is. Per your own numbers above, even.

Wind power per capita would put China far lower than the west.

The death penalty does not bring peace to victims or their families. You reopen old wounds every time the media talks about a new appeal or delay. With life in prison, they stay silent and forgotten.

This gets lost among all the other arguments: wrong conviction, costs, etc.

This time, I don't actually think it's the point. I think they're just being pragmatic and Russia's feelings stopped being a consideration a long time ago.

Isn't Apple restricting their part of that to EU citizens?

China lied about its actions and is supporting the aggressor of a despicable invasion.