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Luis Chamberlain sent out the modules changes today for the Linux 6.6 merge window. Most notable with the modules update is a change that better builds up the defenses against NVIDIA's proprietary kernel driver from using GPL-only symbols. Or in other words, bits that only true open-source drivers should be utilizing and not proprietary kernel drivers like NVIDIA's default Linux driver in respecting the original kernel code author's intent.

Back in 2020 when the original defense was added, NVIDIA recommended avoiding the Linux 5.9 for the time being. They ended up having a supported driver several weeks later. It will be interesting to see this time how long Linux 6.6+ thwarts their kernel driver.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Just a perspective on why people would support NVIDIA here:

  • They don't believe in copyright law so they don't mind whoever infringe on them. Especially since here it would make the proprietary driver work better.

  • They do care about copyright law but think having a working driver outweighs respecting them.

Not my opinion here just saying that for some people usability trumps any other aspects.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

They don't believe in copyright law so they don't mind whoever infringe on them. Especially since here it would make the proprietary driver work better.

I don't believe in copyright law, but I especially don't believe in partially enforced copyright law. Nvidia doesn't get to use copyright to protect their proprietary code while infringing on the copyright of FOSS.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also, some of us are using Nvidia because we rely on software that doesn't work on AMD. I really enjoy using Linux, but if it's going to make my life difficult I'll go back to using Windows with WSL.

I agree Nvidia should resolve the licensing issues, but man GPL zealots get a such a raging hard-on for anything Nvidia related it's funny to watch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It's not going to effect you. No distro is going to ship a kernel that doesn't work with the Nvidia driver, besides maybe some rolling ones, in which case you can just use the LTS kernel. This is drama between Nvidia and the rest of the kernel maintainers, and Nvidia will update their driver to deal with it, as they have done in the past.

Shitting on people who care about FOSS because they don't want to see massive companies get away with blatant copyright infringement is crazy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or maybe we should keep companies, which rake in billions of dollars, to a much higher standard??

Nvidia could be better at open-sourcing their stuff. But they don't. Blame them, not GPL.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I mean we do, but blaming them doesn't make Linux more viable for high end GPU applications.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Linux is the gold standard in many high end GPU applications, like AI, though?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

we rely on software that doesn’t work on AMD

Which software?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

3D rendering software using iRay. I've started trying to learn Blender, but I've still got thousands spent on assets and hardware which means I'm not going to run out tomorrow and pickup a new card. It all works fine under Wine, but the amount of Nvidia hate on here is just tiring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So you use iRay as the rendering engine for Blender? And (I'm assuming a lot here) iRay doesn't use CUDA, OpenCL etc, but straight talks to the GPU via graphics drivers, thus having hardware depency for nvidia GPU?