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That’s literally how societies work. You can do everything yourself, or you can cooperate with other people. Cooperating means spending some of your time doing their stuff so they spend some of their time doing your stuff. Cooperating means giving up some free time but probably having more free time overall.
As is, you can have hobbies and interests now. Society isn’t stopping you from that either. You need to realize that your happiness is your responsibility instead of projecting onto the rest of us.
A “not stupid” version of your question might have been “what would you like to spend more time doing.” But that’s not the question you asked. You decide to blame society for you being kind of a pathetic person.
There are many ways that societies can work. Criticising the way society currently works is not criticising all possible societies. The options are not "accept things the way they are" and "bugger off into the wilderness".
What’s a society that isn’t premised on cooperation? Capitalism, communism, and essentially every other form of society are simply differences in how the money is divided up. They’re not differences in the belief that members of society have to work.
I mean, OP can move to a different society. OP could also stay and vote but I suspect that type of cooperative government might not be what they’re after. So yeah, in general, acceptance and fucking off are the only two real, immediate, choices OP can make. And in the context of this thread, asking OP this question is a great way to get to the point of their complaint.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Because nowhere has anyone said they oppose cooperation.
Boy howdy that seems like an ENORMOUS difference.
That is what OP is saying. They want to know what we’d do if we weren’t forced to sell most of our time.
I agree. But again, that’s not what OP is talking about. As we’ve established, any society requires cooperative work. Neither you or OP has argued that another system wouldn’t require OP to “sell most of their time.” If you’d like to make this argument you might be interested to start here.
No it isn't. That's something you have hallucinated.
There's a lot of options between having to spend the majority of our time dedicated to work, and not cooperating at all.
Not to mention most of the work we do isn't for the benefit of our communities, but for the benefit of a tiny handful of already-incredibly rich assholes.
That would be convenient for your argument, but actually, you do not get to decide what other people are talking about based on what is most convenient for you to argue against.
I read OPs post. I quoted it back to you. Both you, and OP, are implicitly arguing that you should be able to both fuck off AND have the benefits of society. That’s actually one of the perks of a functioning society where a member who is to old, sick, or otherwise unable to contribute can be taken care of. Do one of these apply to you or OP? If not, you’re no different than the “already rich assholes” except that you’re takers who are bad at capitalism.
Anyway. Have a nice day.
No. I'm not. I'm telling you I'm not. Despite whatever nonsense you are hallucinating, that isn't the argument I'm making.
Society can be structured differently. So resources can be distributed more fairly. So everyone can enjoy more of their time. Instead of a greedy few getting most of the benefit at the expense of the rest of us.
Bite me, asshole.
hey so i read all your comments here and I feel like it would have been far less of a waste of your time (and others) to just ignore the whole capitalism thing and answer what you'd do with your free time if you had more free time.
No, they're not.
It should be, but this is becoming less and less the case as welfare, social security and pension plans keep getting cut and gutted.