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It seems like they believe they can be a gardener vs a farmer. That's the only bit that I see that isn't realistic.
In all likelihood they would be neither. With modern technology, we don't need a large percent of the population farming. I realize communists typically eliminate the intellectuals and kulaks—those who would actually have useful knowledge—first, but the smart things would be to have the current farmers keep farming. You'd likely be assigned to a factory to manufacture widgets for the rest of your days.
Conservatives eliminate intellectuals.
Eh, so do Communists but they just eliminated them on industrial scales.
Just curious to know if you are familiar with the USSR's very rapid technological advancement in a very short period of time?
I wonder if there's a term for how the far right and the far left tend to be similar...
I believe it's holocaust trivialization
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
No it's a "theory" that has not been demonstrated to hold up and isn't granted a lot of respect in political science circles.
While certain aspects can be shared, such as a greater appreciation for authoritarianism, the actual beliefs are so incredibly different and the people drawn to them are so different that the "theory" doesn't work.
I'm calling horseshoe theory holocaust trivialization. Well, I'm linking to a Jewish holocaust expert doing that.
At what point does it discuss horseshoe theory? They seem to talk about the holocaust vs the soviets which isn't really what horsehoe theory purports to be about (and again the horseshoe theory is complete bullshit)
It is about the equating of nazis and Soviets, aka what horseshoe theory purports to be true.
That's not what the Horseshoe theory proposes. It suggests that the tactics used by both sides are similar, which is often true, and that either ideology could appeal to the people that get involved with far right and far left groups which is the part that is completely unproven and is absolute bullshit.
The guy who joins ISIS because of how their views of Islam are not honored who thinks the degeneration of society is due to the movement away from Allah is not going to become a communist under different circumstances much like a Marxist is unlikely to adopt a pro-monarchist POV.
Again Horseshoe theory is bullshit but your source says nothing at all about it.
There is but horseshoe theory is not well regarded in political science circles because it hasn't held up.
"Horseshoe theory"
Dont think so, as one is offensively violent and authoritarian out of fancy while the other is defensively violent and authoritarian out of self-preservation
Both can be offensively violent but the types of people drawn to either vary widely. For example I cannot say I know any socialists who were individually racist (as opposed to racist by virtue of being American as structural racism runs deep).
Horseshoe theory is bullshit
Say both sides...
Are you seriously trying to say that communist governments haven't committed mass murder on an industrial scale just to fortify their power structures?
If you use one "communist" government to slander all of them then we can reasonably say that England is proof that capitalism is violently evil and invasive and Spain is proof that christianity is a violent and murderous ideology that should never be allowed on the face of the earth.
This sounds like some bullshit said by people who cant understand the basic difference between right and wrong. Or by a fascist. Whichever.
There IS A DIFFERENCE between offensive and defensive violence. The only ones who say otherwise are the offensively violent ones...who also lie about their violence.
LOL
The irony here is that if you actually had two cows in the late 1920's USSR you'd catch a bullet.
That sounds like some classic radical right wing reationary propaganda courtesy of Reagan and Kissinger
Wouldn't owning cows as an individual be a form of theft in the USSR of the 1920s? Wouldn't they be the collective's cows and if you made them "yours" you were stealing?
Doubt it seriously, and no not necessarily as having and owning arent the same thing
Fair
Ronald Reagan, famous time traveller.
I did say "classic".. as in inspired by Reagan and repeated ad neauseum by every single radical right wing talk show pundit for the past 43 years
Same as 1700s US if you were a Quaker
Which one is defensively violent? Hexbears said I should get nuked and they claim to exist on the left (they present as alt-righty if you ask me)
Which one is holding executive and legislative power and has actively oppressed the other?
(Hint: not the left)
Well I don't get threatened with nuclear annihilation everyday. I guess it was a weird one-off event (haha; I am being sarcastic).
You are unfamiliar with the altright if you think hexbear is at all right. They are leftists and many are revolutionary leftists but no one there for long is altright.
For fucks sake this al, comes about from the ChapoTrapHouse subreddit getting banned.
I see the world in a two dimensional way where people are placed into one of two camps based on a single characteristic;
Have they called for my death.
So I don't give a shit what they (or anyone else) has to say about their political leanings. It's all the same trash, and I lack the respect necessary to differentiate them.
So yea I say they're alt right. If that upsets you, too bad.
It just means you don't know what the right is and are proud about that fact. It doesn't upset anyone but why make obviously uninformed claims like that?
If you really think I don't know the difference between left and right political camps instead of using the wrong terminology as a sign of disrespect you may want to try seeing this conversation less literally.
To be clear, you not recognizing my style of trolling isn't me getting "dunked on".
Assuming technology didn't take a dive bomb that would be automated fairly quickly as well, look at how much robotics already does in manufacturing.
Most people would be reassigned as IT and programmers, robotics technicians, etc. If it was actually done properly.
There's already like 10 times as many programmers and whatnot then there need to be. Look at how many duplicates apps there are for everything.
More likely they would be booted out as well
The system encourages those people to engage in the arms race for the next killer app to earn boatloads of money and win the game of capitalism. Finding people who are genuinely interested in maintaining the infrastructure that makes any of that possible is the problem.
Do they eliminate intellectuals? The USSR and China seem to have avoided this. I don't believe most nations did this other than Cambodia and I will never see that shitshow as socialist.
USSR despised and fought the Intelligentsia, sending them to gulags
They got to the moon using what people exactly?
In the USSR it was kind of mixed. If you were at all associated with the old regime you were fucked but tbh a lot of them weren't super sympathetic anyway.
In China, lol. They fucking murdered everyone who knew anything and then suffered horribly for it. Of course, even then they might have been somewhat okay except Mao thought he knew better so they got the Great Leap Forward and stuff like the Four Pests campaign.
You are fucking kidding, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
And the part where they believe to have any freedoms whatsoever IS realistic? Or the part where they believe to actually be alive and not die in the next famine is realistic?
I see very little realism here...