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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Where do you think the value for your return on investment comes from? It's extracted from the labor of workers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s not extracted it’s combined with labour to produce higher output than labour or capital on their own.

For example a worker with a shovel could only dig a small hole a day, but with the injection of capital (ie a backhoe) they can dig many more holes. The worker can increase their pay compared to what they would’ve made with just a shovel and the person that provided the backhoe can also generate a healthy return for their capital contribution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

healthy return

How is it healthy that some rich investor gets to play golf all day because he can afford to buy backhoes and hire people to use them? How is it healthy that he earns more money if he pays them less, or that he alone is in charge of resources that a whole community worked to produce? What is healthy about any of this?

What you are describing is the entire fucking premise of socialism: workers cannot afford the means of production, so production ends up controlled by a handful of wealthy capitalists with perverse incentives and no loyalty to the rest of the human race. An entire tradition of thought is dedicated to how unhealthy that is.