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Gnome... buggy?
Look I get that a lot of people have this irrational hateboner for Gnome, I know the workflow is very different from the traditional WinUX, and some people don't like that, but buggy?
Gnome is astonishingly and notoriously stable for being a modern, regularly updated DE that leverages modern Linux stuff like PipeWire, Wayland, portals, etc. It's part of why it's used so extensively in enterprise Linux settings, and part of what made so many distros switch to it over the years. It's not a buggy DE at all.
Also, using Gnome and then seeing someone else have a bug, then dismissing the whole project as a buggy pile of trash and saying it needs to be uninstalled from your system? Lmao come off it.
E: accidentally referred to Gnome as a distro 🤦♀️
I, too, have been a longtime fan of Gnome. It's workflow IMO is quite practical and pleasant to use.
It's doubly more surprising that it's as stable as it is given the trashy language it's written in. No I don't mean C, I mean the GObject piles on top of it.
Yes, and it also uses web technologies to render themes and has zero sense of usability.
As do other DEs to varying extents, including the other "main" DE, KDE Plasma. I don't really see what your point is there.
Heavy disagree. The workflow is amazing. To me, using the Windows UX paradigm is clunky and less usable. Gnome is very, very usable.
Perhaps you mean to say that you don't like it, which is fair enough for your own tastes, but you aren't the arbiter of what's usable and what isn't.
Could I just ask what your point is here? I'm refuting the baseless assertion that Gnome is an extremely buggy DE.
If you don't like the workflow then fair enough, it's certainly quite different from the Windows way of doing things that we're all used to, and you're entitled to your opinion that it's not for you, but I don't see how it's relevant to my comment?
C'mon I never said it was buggy, I just said it was slow. Every other DE typically launches applications faster than GNOME. It also forces pointless animations down people's throat, and no that toggle under settings doesn't remove all animations.
It's not about the workflow, GNOME has the potential to be the one and only DE that actually makes it so big companies start developing proprietary applications for Linux without the constant fear of the "floor shifting bellow their feet" making it pointless to develop for Linux. Unfortunately GNOME insists on reinventing the wheel about every two years in the quest for their vision... and we get a perpetually half made DE out of that. The desktop is more than tested and everyone already tried all possible iterations of it, just get over it and so something useful with your funding.
What's the point is in having a well funded team when you want to change network settings and you've to go through three different kinds of UIs and applications all of them with their own particular style? Not even Windows is that bad - at least the old-style Control Panel has all the settings (including very advanced ones) that Linux never managed to get into a SINGLE and CONSISTENT UI. The same applies for a lot of other cases.
GNOME design is mostly okay (from a UI standpoint) but very bad from an UX one. It hides things from you (including the decision of removing desktop icons that could've been simply a toggle like in macOS) and proceeds to work against you by blocking your workflow/actions with graphic animations instead of getting to the results.
To be fair there are other things in GNOME that are just pure crap and application icons are one of them. What Android and iOS (mostly this one) do is have a set of guidelines for application icons so things looks more or less uniform. Android allows for more deviation while iOS doesn't really care it will apply a mask over your icon either way. In GOME, in multiple menus, you get icons larger than others, backgrounds on some and others barely visible. GNOME never tires to get anything uniform and leaves that to themes that will also always fail because they won't have icons for all applications in the world.
Gnome is amazing for me. I don't want a busy desktop I want simple and elegant.
You don't have to like it. There are plenty of other options. Also saying it somehow promotes proprietary software is just downright wrong. You know what promotes proprietary software? People installing proprietary software.
You are aware that you never got Adobe / MS Office / Autodesk for Linux because Linux is very bad when it comes to supporting developers aren't you? Unlike all other platforms out there you've to deal with multiple DE that are ever changing and half baked. You also have to deal with the lack of proper documentation into APIs and frameworks to make developer's lives easier.
That's what this comment chain is about, though, which is why I was asking what relevance your opinion that the workflow is bad has.
Again with getting further off-topic! What does this have to do with the assertion that Gnome is buggy?
Not that it's even true anyway, it's a total lie. There has been no "reinventing the wheel" since Gnome 3 came out something like 13 years ago — that's quite a while! But feel free to tell me how Gnome has "reinvented the wheel" recently. I'm all ears.
Again, how is this on topic? Did you reply to my initial comment by mistake?
Again, it's not even true. There's one UI in the settings (and across the whole system), I don't know why you're making stuff up?
The rest of your rant seems to be Gnome is inconsistent which is... wow. Gnome is easily the most consistent UX in Linux. Period. Including ChromeOS and Android.
But again, what does that have to do with the assertion that it's buggy?
Bluntly it seems to me like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. Maybe some Gnome devs spitroasted your girlfriend, maybe there's just some insecurity and the need to shit on something other people like in order to justify your own choices.
I don't care tbh, I just don't see the relevance of your rants to my comment or even the comment I replied to.
For you, it works fine for me. Also it isn't just web technology
No, but we both know it is a big chunk. It works, and it is mostly fine, but it is certainly slower than Xfce and adds more pain with animations.
If the animations are running slow then your hardware is likely the culprit. Make sure you have a GPU made in the last 10-15 years or so.
I don't deny that Xfce4 is going to be lighter weight but saying it is faster is a stretch.
No, the animations aren't running slower on my hardware than in any other hardware... the issue is that there are animations and those take time to complete.
They shouldn't take time as everyone has pointed out.
Cmon... how can they not? An animation always takes time, 0.1s is time. As described here there's even an extension that can speed up animations.
Do you use KDE or LXQt?
Mostly GNOME and Xfce depending on the circumstance. KDE is decent and fast but the design is very bad, they've zero sense of proportions and spacing around elements.
Damn. Was gonna say Qt also uses web tech for rendering. 😔
Ahahahaha