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Why is this getting upvoted? OP is using irony. The No True Scotsman fallacy requires refuting a counterexample as well as "The modification is signalled by the use of non-substantive rhetoric such as "true", "pure", "genuine", "authentic", "real", etc." Check out the "Occurrence" section.
Because there are people who really don't like how right wing conservative Christians behave, but also for some reason hate when other Christians agree that the behaviour is unacceptable and call them out on it.
You're not calling out shit. You're refusing any responsibility by claiming they're not even really Christian. They are, and until you admit that, nobody gives a fuck about your claims to the contrary. Christians can be shit, that doesn't make them not Christian you absolute dingus. If you'd actually read the Bible you'd know that slavery and homophobia and sexism are as fundamentally Christian as any love thy neighbor shit
Republicans: Act in hateful ways
Guy: "That behavior is contrary to the book you claim to follow"
Everyone: cheers
Christian: "I agree!"
You: "nO tRuE sCoTsMaN!!!!1!"
???
You suck at telling stories like this lmao, you're the one no true scotsmaning shitty Christians to try and avoid any flak for being associated with them. Legit this comment is utterly incomprehensible, tf is your point? Who's guy? Who's everyone? I assure you far from everyone thinks that republicans aren't real Christians
Let me simplify it for you:
The argument that everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian, and also every Christian belongs to the same group and is responsible for the actions of everyone who claims to be a Christian, is patently absurd.
You can have two people with wildly different beliefs, but if they both use the label Christian somehow they are both responsible for the actions of each other.
Those people also call themselves Christian tho, and probably call you a fake Christian. That's a big thing in Christianity, insisting that your brand of it is the only valid one. Yall are silly as hell, admit that there are shitty christians or accept that we don't give a shit about your half ass condemnations of shitty christians
Okay: there are shitty Christians.
Now what? Do I now have permission to call out their shitty behaviour and not somehow be responsible for it myself?
You can and absolutely should call them out. You can call them fake Christians if you want I guess, but that's not really calling them out, it's clear you're just saying it to make yourself look better. No matter what your take on them is, I know for a fact that they're Christian, and you trying to cut them off from yourself like that just makes me think you're a lot closer to them than you're letting on. I can hardly think of any times I've seen Muslims deny that the Taliban are real Muslims, or Jews deny that zionists are real Jews. Why is it so hard for Christians to do the same?
Okay, so we agree that if someone says "This behaviour is not in line with the teaching of Christianity" then someone responding with just the words "No True Scotsman" is stupid, useless, and contrary to the point?
"You trying to say your beliefs are not they same as their beliefs makes me think..... you have the same beliefs"? How does that logic hold up? Someone directly saying "They are not representative of what I believe" means they ARE representative somehow?
Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/16hpv7s/comment/k0h6q7z/
Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/18j3yfz/not_a_real_jew/
Their behavior isn't in line with your brand of Christianity, it very much is in line with theirs. Just because you think you and your church are the only actual Christians doesn't make that the case.
"How does that logic hold up?" If you really didn't like them, you'd just denounce them, straight up. You wouldn't be so desperate to make sure we know that not only are they shitty, but you specifically have nothing to do with them in any way. You're both Christian, this is a fact that you can't weasel your way out of no matter how badly you wish you could. Continuing to pretend otherwise turns your denouncement into hollow self praise.
If you don't have anything new to contribute besides flapping your arms harder about how they're not really Christian, I'm done replying. I hope you get better at actually, meaningfully opposing the evil parts of your religion instead of simply distancing yourself from them
And here I thought we were making progress when you said
Don't know why you're suddenly walking that back.
In what way is "They're not Christians" not a denouncement, straight up? It is literally, directly saying, "How they behave does not reflect what I understand Christianity to be in any way." How can a Christians denounce their behaviour more than by saying "I don't consider them to be Christian"?
Denounce: verb
publicly declare to be wrong or evil.
Publicly saying "They call themselves Christians and they are wrong" is the dictionary definition of denouncement.
What is the definition of Christian? If it's "anyone who claims to be Christian" then the definition is so broad as to be completely meaningless. "You're both Christian" is just as relevant as saying "your both American." So unless every American is responsible for the shitty behaviour of any other American, it makes no sense for every person who calls themselves a Christian to be responsible for the shitty behaviour of anyone else who calls themselves a Christian.
People are literally publicly saying "I do not agree with any of their beliefs or behaviours", what more would you have them say?