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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Impossible burgers cooked right on the skillet are pretty damn good, imo. And easy. I'm no vegetarian but we keep them in our weeknight rotation.

Edit: Connect is messing up and I can no longer see some comments below. The study you cite, SMCF, uses the Nova classification system to define ultra-processed foods, meaning that category contains "soft drinks, sweet or savoury packaged snacks, confectionery; packaged breads and buns; reconstituted meat products and pre-prepared frozen or shelf-stable dishes." This gives you no information on Impossible burgers' impact on cardiovascular disease, it only gives you a trend among people who eat all of the above. I would suspect the reality is Impossible meat contributes to CVD slightly more than straight-up vegetables and significantly less than red meat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That’s fine, just remember they’re junk food and not the health food people seem to think they are.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They have more protein, fiber, and iron than beef.

Red meat consumption has been shown to increase risks of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, and cancer, full stop.

I don't know what a "health food" would be, but I would probably classify them as foods that are healthier alternatives to foods that are proven bad for your health. Which is what "Impossible" etc. are.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Health food is anything that isn't processed to hell and back.

Impossible is just alternative junk food. Like vapes are for cigarettes. Healthier still means crap. I'd probably just use mushrooms or tofu as a patty if I wanted an alternative to beef.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, a lot of people are not well-informed about what "processed" food constitutes, to begin with.

According to the Department of Agriculture, processed food are any raw agricultural commodities that have been washed, cleaned, milled, cut, chopped, heated, pasteurized, blanched, cooked, canned, frozen, dried, dehydrated, mixed or packaged.

As such, most of our diet is processed food, and there's nothing wrong with that. If there are particular ingredients that have been added in the processing of any consumer product that are themselves bad for your health, I would definitely encourage abstinence from that product.

While vaping is monumentally safer for one's health than cigarette smoking, both are still a needless introduction of potential harm to one's health, I agree.

But we must eat food, and the harm from that food being vaguely "processed" versus the harm from it containing ingredients certainly known to contribute to stroke, heart disease, cancer, and diabetes just isn't a worthwhile comparison.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, it does not.

The definition by The Global Panel on Agrigulture and Food Systems for Nutrition of "Ultra-Processed Foods" is contingient on those foods being depleted in dietary fiber, protein, various micronutrients, and other bioactive compounds.

While the oreos you're using in other examples would probably fit that definition, the alternative meats we're discussing don't, as they are "processed" to include those constituents.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And?

Your wikipedia links don't make an assertion. The one on UPF does remind you, though, that

Some authors have criticised the concept of "ultra-processed foods" as poorly defined

The crux of this learning moment for you shouldn't be about definitions, but the relative "healthiness" of vegan food products.

It's clear you began with a preference to paint with a broad brush these meat substitute products as "junk food," and you have the opportunity to recognize they aren't as obviously unhealthy as you first thought.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Every 10 percentage points increase in plant-sourced non-UPF consumption was associated with a 7% lower risk of CVD (95% CI 0.91–0.95) and a 13% lower risk of CVD mortality (0.80–0.94). Conversely, plant-sourced UPF consumption was associated with a 5% increased risk (1.03–1.07) and a 12% higher mortality (1.05–1.20). The contribution of all UPF was linked to higher CVD risk and mortality, and no evidence for an association between contribution of all plant-sourced foods and CVD incidence and mortality was observed

Modern plant-sourced diets may incorporate a range of ultra-processed foods (UPF), such as sugar-sweetened beverages, snacks, confectionery, but also the ‘plant-sourced’ sausages, nuggets, and burgers that are produced with ingredients originating from plants and marketed as meat and dairy substitutes.

Thanks for your teaching moment, but take a second to get up to speed and we can talk after that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh honey, your stealth edit shows that you don't understand. I'll explain it to you: the study you keep linking doesn't differentiate between those foods in that "range of ultra-processed foods (UPF)," so that means data coming from "sugar-sweetened beverages, snacks, confectionery" is getting all mixed in with the data of the "‘plant-sourced’ sausages, nuggets, and burgers," which unfortunately renders the conclusions of the study rather meaningless when we're talking about the CVD outcomes of just one of the data sets.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is a stealth edit?

I fixed some formatting issues. Does that make the study I linked invalid?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just told you why the study you linked is invalid for this conversation. Do you want me to quote the comment you just replied to so you can reread it?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’m not going to continue providing you with valid studies so you can keep trying to disprove them to promote your agenda.

Isn’t that sealioning?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Did I ask you to continue providing studies? Agenda? Good luck, friend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Low-effort repost of your specious use of a study with nebulous conclusions for this conversation; I'll quote the user above:

that category contains "soft drinks, sweet or savoury packaged snacks, confectionery; packaged breads and buns; reconstituted meat products and pre-prepared frozen or shelf-stable dishes." This gives you no information on Impossible burgers' impact on cardiovascular disease, it only gives you a trend among people who eat all of the above. I would suspect the reality is Impossible meat contributes to CVD slightly more than straight-up vegetables and significantly less than red meat.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So?

Link a study showing that, it should be easy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

Something proving your high-effort repost of another user’s comment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who literally thinks they’re a health food? I’ve never met someone in real life that’s told me that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You’ve never heard people say they’re made from plants so they are healthy?

It’s usually the same people who talk about their nerds or potato chips being gluten free or their Oreos vegan.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They're not really a junk food. They're not as healthy as eating straight-up vegetables, but they're definitely not junk food.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're nearly as salty as potato chips and loaded with saturated fat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Impossible has more salt than beef, but less saturated fat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
  • Greater numbers of people are choosing plant-based meat substitutes for various reasons, including perceived health benefits.
  • While leaner cuts of beef can still have a place in a heart-healthy meal plan, consumers may be more willing to overeat plant-based meat substitutes, but their high sodium and saturated fat content may pose health risks.
  • As an alternative to over-processed vegan foods, clinicians may advise patients to consider leaner cuts of meat and incorporate wholesome vegetarian superfoods, such as nuts, greens, and vegetables, into their diets.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Based on a 100-gram comparison, the Impossible Burger has more favorable stats for protein (17.2 g compared with beef’s 16.8 g), fiber (4.4 g to beef’s 0 g), and iron (3.7 mg to beef’s 2 mg) than traditional beef. It’s also lower in calories with fewer grams of total fat (11.5 g vs beef’s 19.9 g) and saturated fat (5.3 g vs beef’s 7.3 g)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

consumers may be more willing to overeat plant-based meat substitutes, but their high sodium and saturated fat content may pose health risks.

As an alternative to over-processed vegan foods, clinicians may advise patients to consider leaner cuts of meat

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

However, the Impossible Burger has almost five times the sodium content as a beef patty (327 mg vs beef’s 66 mg). Pair an Impossible Burger with a bun and condiments, and consumers will be on the fast track to a high-sodium meal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everything you're quoting is from the link I posted, saying things I've already said in other comments. I'm proud of you for reading the information.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh I can’t read.

I’m illiterate.

Edit: Stealth edit.