Russia been occupying Ukraine since 2014, only since 2022 have people started caring
Why memes is just full of stupid right wing stuff?
this post was submitted on 04 Aug 2023
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is it? this is the first one i've seen.
Yeah but its only in this community and its even a meme?
The stance of "you didn't care about X, so you're not allowed to care about Y" is pretty fucking dumb.
The illegal annexation of Crimea is inherently different.
- Russia had good propaganda and muddied the waters by arguing that the majority of the population wanted this.
- Ukraine did not stand a chance against the invading forces. The whole attack was finished in a month. The chances of retaking Crimea at that point were next to zero.
That was 8 years ago and the situation has changed dramatically.
Complete tangent, and obviously only a single case, but I know a woman originally from Crimea (now lives in the US) whose family is ethnically Russian, and she was happy when Russia invaded Crimea because she always felt Russian and never felt Ukranian. Anyway, just a single anecdote which does not necessarily reflect my feelings on the matter.
There is a war, so all propaganda has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Denys Davydov also from Crimea has a very different opinion about the Russia invasion there. Dr Eleanor Knott is the only source I can find that shows possible unbiased results. The data for this paper was collected before the annexation took place. It favours the opinion that Crimea was not pro-Russia in bias.
I have to ask why she is in the US if she got what she wanted?
Where does her pro-Russian stance stem from? (political alliances, ethnicity or economic seem to be the main proponents).
You say "she was happy" does this mean she has had a change of heart.
See, this is why I tried to say that it was only one person's opinion, one I found interesting. I never meant for it to mean that I thought the invasion was justified, or that one person's opinion should invalidate all the other opinions or statistics out there.
Anyway, this person came to the US to go to college and decided to stay. She married an American, and she was a US citizen long before the invasion of Crimea. She is ethnically Russian, and she still has family in Russia. She was in favor of the Russian invasion of Crimea because of that.
I can't really speak too much more about her feelings because it isn't a topic I discuss with her very often.
Sorry I had a genuine interest in your response. I was not trying to be provocative. I worked with a lad from Ukraine. He was someone with a real genuine nature. The kind of person you could never see anyone saying a bad word against. So far all I have no family in the warzone, I do feel for the people living there. I am not anti-Russian, but I am very much against the regime in power there.
What the paper did say was that there were people in Crimea who had Russian bias. It would be naïve to think there were no people who were pro-Russian. I would have been very interested to hear if her view had changed especially being within the western media viewing range. That is to say a view on how propaganda has had an affect on her opinion. I think it is fair to say the referendum Putin held was not a fair one.
What I find sad is that Crimea will never be the same again. It is a lost culture. Putin will have removed anyone who is pro-Ukraine from the area, so any future votes will never show how it should actually be. That is regardless of the voting process and checks around it. Ukraine will undoubtedly evict any people who have shown bias with the current occupation. Crimea will end up in the hands of whoever wins the peace.
I have seen footage of people from the Donbass region that has since been repatriated to Ukraine. They were not very happy with the lack of support Russia gave them. They were literally caught in no man's land for years on end. You could not state if they were still pro-Russian or pro-Ukraine because of the regime change. Their composure definitely looked beaten and just wanted the situation to be over. I personally don't think they cared who had control.
My brother in rice, this is not a place for in-depth conversations about geopolitics
Not with that attitude
What is up with shaming people for caring about something they did not care about before? Do you want them to stop caring? At least they do now, can't that be enough?
OP is salty a Ukrainian farmer towed his tank away with a tractor.
Иди ешь дерьмо, товарищ.
What?
OP, That you trying to think?
The Crimea annexation was much less violent. But I guess that's because NATO and Ukraine just let it happen instead of sending everyone to the slaughterhouse for huge hog hunter