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submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I'm currently learning how to code (currently Python, then maybe JavaScript), but I'm not always around my desktop, and learning on my phone is not always an option (also, it can be quite cumbersome at times). Therefore, I'm looking into purchasing a laptop just for learning how to code and stuff.

I don't want to get a Chromebook because I want to be able to wipe the drive and install Linux on it (probably Linux Mint). Maybe it's changed since 2013, but the last time I had a Chromebook, it was a pain in the ass to install even bog-standard Ubuntu on it.

Problem is, I'm also heavily limited by space & budget: no more than 11 in (280 mm) total laptop width and 330 USD base price.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Please forgive me if this is not the right space for this kind of question. Lemme know if it is and I'll delete it. :)

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Used Dell XPS, Thorvalds' own choice of laptop, and often ranked well on iFixIt reparability ratings

I've been using a Dell XPS-15 9560 for over six years now, the keyboard needed to be cleaned after four years and and the charging port needed to be replaced (€10 inc service) recently. The battery no longer lasts 11 or so hours but it lasts 2 or so which I'll take, for about €100 I could replace just the battery.
All of which, for how fast devices tend to break on me, is an incredibly good mileage I'd say!

And oh yeah, whatever Linux I've been distro hopping to has worked swimmingly!

[-] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s probably best to limit yourself to a used laptop.

Reading and writing code is nothing more than reading and writing text, and for that you don’t need a fancy gpu or screen.

What I would recommend you look for in a laptop is

  • an SSD instead of an HDD
  • more cpu cores (at least 4 cores)
  • more memory (RAM) (at least 8GB, preferably 16GB+)

More memory and cores will help you with compiling and running your code.

And make sure you take regular backups! You never know when your disk will fail.

Also make sure to check linux compatibility before you buy. Laptops used to be a pain (10+ years ago), and it’s gotten a lot better, but it’s not always perfect. Just search for “[brand] [model] linux” or try to find the model on the archlinux wiki.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

an SSD instead of an HDD

I'd rather search for upgradeability, i.e., non-soldered RAM, easy access to HDD, maybe replace the optical drive with an HDD caddy, etc...

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Well, just for learning coding on Linux OP wouldn't need 16GB.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I feel people used to having more RAM always recommended insane amounts of RAM. 4 GB gets you by running a browser or PDF viewer with a code editor, 8 or more GB is recommended IMO.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For Linux I would just find the best ThinkPad within your budget (a used one, in this case)

Edit for an example (and re-edit to clean up link): https://www.ebay.com/itm/134956529143

[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thinkpads are not cheap as they have that reputation.

But they have good Linux support

Btw that link has tons of tracking BS in it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134956529143

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

That's one of the most insane links I have ever seen. I'm scared to click it.

But I second a ThinkPad.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Should be the same link without the tracking

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134956529143

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

You make a great point, but the problem is I've looked at a ton of them and they all seem to be too big. I have a very limited primary workspace at only 11 inches and for example the T14 Gen 1 you linked to is 12.95 inches in width.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Probably used is the right answer. Be mindful of battery life and wear.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Usually Lenovo Thinkpads are a safe choice.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Used ThinkPad

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

And old ThinkPad.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I picked up a used Latitude 7300 (I think?) last year and am quite happy with it. I appreciate that I can replace the ram and ssd myself for repair / upgrade.

I’m running Mint on it and haven’t noticed any problems.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I am super partial to old ThinkPads. Currently I am running an x1 yoga gen 4 that I got from a company that was recycling it for free. I also have a P52, and a t460s. All have been great. I have used several others including an x230, an x201, a w520, w530 and w540(least favorite due to the trackpad). Generally I like to stop at about the Intel 8th gen series as parts are usually still fairly serviceable and affordable.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Steam Deck. I'm half serious if you got a wireless mini keyboard with touch pad. You can play games on it too BTW ;)

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lol, that's kind of intriguing honestly. Are Python interpreters even available on whatever fork of Linux that SteamDecks use? Haha.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Yes. Steam Deck is based on Arch linux. I even have PyCharm installed.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

steam deck is NOT a proper replacement for a work desktop, ymmv

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Used t490 / t480. Can you elaborate on the "heavy limited by space"?

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

If you really want to you can combine:

  • a raspberry pi (with case)
  • a power bank
  • a small USB keyboard
  • a small portable display
  • a mouse

It doesn't take more space than a laptop :))

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I recommend the Thinkpad yoga 11e, which is their education edition. They're out of stock at the moment, but they'll come back soon. They always do. It's an 11 inch laptop with a flip around touch screen and integrated stylus. Works perfectly with Linux. It's not super fast, but it's under 300 dollars new. And it's made for kids so it's durable. I have one and I love it. You can get one used if you like, but at that point you're probably better off with an older model.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Buy an old thinkpad from craigslist. The one I'm using is from 2011 and is perfectly sufficient tech-wise. I'll have to replace it soon, but only because it's falling apart.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah get a used laptop. Anything used in good condition is way better than new at the same or often twice the price.

Chromebooks are bad, but they run Coreboot. With MrChromebox and Chrultrabook you can get a normal Coreboot BIOS on there and run any Linux distro.

But they are often not repairable and have extremely limited storage and RAM. Also finding info on many of them is horrible.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Now that apple has their own silicon, all the older intel based MacBooks are pretty cheap. I just replaced my wife's 2013 MacBook Airs battery, upgraded the drive, and installed Linux. It's been a solid little laptop. Not the fastest but there's probably a few pro models within your price range. Just make sure to get at least a 16gb model since the ram is soldered. Might have issues with the webcam, but the wifi drivers are pretty good.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

if you can compromise on the width, a used thinkpad t480 is under budget, upgrade-able, works fine with any linux and is plenty good enough to do what you need.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I have an 8 year old Acer aspire and it works great for coding. I've learned a lot about both of those languages with zero worries and recently moved the OS over to nix with excellent results.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

If you can get a metal body laptop, I would suggest you do. Metal chassis with Linux will last a long while. Programming will not take much resources (and if it does, rewrite your code). Since you're into light programming like python any distro would be fine. It feels like the community has somewhat agreed to suggest Linux Mint to new users so I'll support that.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Refurbished Dell 7390? ~$250 has an 13" display with relatively small bezels. I think if you want it even smaller, you'd need some mini laptop or a tablet or steam deck. But that has other downsides. And having a device with an full-size keyboard is nice if you want to type / code.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Asus Vivobook Go 11, width is 279 mm.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The good thing about Linux is, it's not very ressouce demanding. If you pick the xfce version of Mint, you can get away with 4GB of RAM. But you won't have that much fun coding as soon as you start something more ressource heavy (big data sets, ML, ...) so this depends a little in which direction you want to go. However see if you can find something used, preferably something you can open from the back side to upgrade components like SSD and RAM (cheaper than buying higher specs)

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

getting a small laptop as a dumb terminal and using a cloud server as a more beefy “as needed” machine isn’t a bad option either

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I work in IT and my 4 year old retired Dell 5300 is working just fine. Great form factor as well.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Looking it up, it seems like a delightful little laptop, but it's too big. It's got a 13.3 inch screen, and I'm limited to a total laptop width of 11 inches.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

The screen is measured diagonally.

The screen width won't be 13 inches.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I recommend looking for refurbished laptops. As they'd give you better bang for buck. If you do indeed to with refurbished laptop, check everything thoroughly before buying including how long the battery lasts and if the display has any deffects.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Some reason I have Chromebook Lenovo Thinka Pad 11e saved in my notes

Iirc it's something that isn't too difficult to unlock and get Linux on it, otherwise I wouldn't have considered it.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I am also supremely space-constrained, but I also had no need to take my development device away from my desk. So I got a workstation and a KVM to switch between workstations, thereby needing only one keyboard, mouse, and set of monitors for multiple computers.

I went further than that, because I also needed to keep the desktop largely clear and the floor space used down to an absolute minimum. So I got a 60s “tanker desk”, and put a smaller office table on top of it. the computers all sit on top of the office table, up near the ceiling (and away from a lot of the dust!) and the monitors and KVM dangle down from beneath it. This leaves only the two pedestal legs of that office table and my keyboard and mouse as the only things “on” the top surface of my desk.

And ignoring the chair, I can have four workstations and six monitors within a 30×60 inch footprint (the tanker desk).

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